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  • posted a message on [Primer] GW Hatebears
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    Quote from tadiou
    Rule of Thumb: Creatures that fill the same role as non-creatures are better.


    It does kind of seem that way sometimes, but really that's not true often enough to be a rule of thumb. Fauna shaman vs survivial of the fittest, candelabra of tawnos vs magus of the candelabra (in fact, the majority of the magus are worse than their originals, probably by design, though).


    In this particular deck.

    Yes. In other decks, with other cards, not necessarily. Modern isn't a format where you have warping cards like survival or candelabra or even tabernacle. But you look at a deck like legacy Death and Taxes. If you had a card that could have the coverage of o-ring, on a stick? you could be sure it'd see play. In a heavy creature deck, it's usually OK to play creatures with the same effect because of the dearth of removal in every format. No deck plays 30 pieces of removal. Few decks play 10 pieces of removal.

    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [Primer] GW Hatebears
    Rule of Thumb: Creatures that fill the same role as non-creatures are better.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [Primer] GW Hatebears
    I think it's really situational depending on the board state... In specifics with Mirran Crusader, Swords pretty much guarantee that you're going to get in there... With any other creature, Elspeth does more.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [Primer] GW Hatebears
    Quote from dcovino
    Sword of WAP on a crusader is 8 damage MINIMUM.


    Yea, this is why I've been using the sword. Elspeth is obviously powerful in her own right but double striking with the sword on gets ridiculous pretty quick if they have cards in hand.


    You're right. There is some damage left on the table between Elspeth & SoWaP, but against most decks, if they've already taken 4-6 damage, it's negligible. You're going to get there if you connect with one or the other. Maybe it's that I see a little more artifact hate (because I do run Vials)... but, if either one actually deal damage, you're highly favored.

    Where I like Elspeth more is that she works better on open boards while Sword works better on stalled boards.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [Primer] GW Hatebears
    Quote from dcovino
    Thanks for the suggestions. Maybe I'll throw in a tec edge and see how it plays out. More LD never hurts.

    Keep wanting to try out a single Elspeth, Knight-Errant in place of my current Sword of War and Peace but the Mirran Crusader just loves holding that sword.


    The difference between Elspeth & SoWaP isn't bad from the resource department. They both become active on the same turn minimum.

    Mirran Crusader + Elspeth is bonkers... and the best part is: it's un Abrupt-decayable, they can't bring in artifact hate to stop it. Any type of removal for it is sorcery speed. If they're going to bolt it, they'll bolt it regardless on equip or on the jump activation. But they can't stop it once it's happened (unlike with abrupt decay). It also has excellent additional value...


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    Does Sigarda do a lot of the same work as Baneslayer? Obviously she's not the same deterrent the turn she comes out as Baneslayer but she's essentially unanswerable outside of Wrath. If you're jamming Rancors she seems like a great choice for the top end. I'm thinking it's similar to the Loxodon Smiter vs. Mirran Crusader reasoning. Consistency vs. Potential. I like doing all I possibly can to eliminate my opponent's outs.

    On a different topic: Leonin Arbiter. Is he worth it? Doesn't he just eat removal 90% of the time? He requires a Path or a Ghost Quarter or them Fetching to be good. And while the deck maximizes the chances of this happening he seems too vulnerable in a deck that can rarely afford to trade 1 for 1 due to lack of card draw/card advantage. If you drop Arbiter you gain a lot of slots for powerful options like Knight of the Reliquary.

    I'm going to work on a build that uses Knight of the Reliquary and Weathered Wayfarer. I used to play Death and Taxes as well as Maverick in Legacy and fetching up Wastelands every turn was a bread and butter strategy for me. I will be focussing on beating Control/Combo in the main-deck and avoiding loosing to lightning bolt or anger of the gods as much as possible.



    Don't think that Sigarda does the same work as Baneslayer. Baneslayer is as much an offensive threat as a defensive threat. You stabilize with Baneslayer because creatures can't attack through it without flipping the board. Sigarda doesn't do that.

    Sigarda I think fits a slot like Thrun more than Baneslayer.

    I/R/T Leonin Arbiter: Always worth it. Sure, it eats bolt/path/whatever. But we have threat density. Bolt Arbiter, what about Smiter? Path Arbiter, follow it up with a Voice of Resurgence. You're a creature deck. Your creatures will eat removal. But you have more creatures than they have creatures and removal most of the time (sans zoo, but most of your creatures are bigger than them).
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [Primer] GW Hatebears
    With my 3 CMC limit (as well), I feel like going 4 Razorverge, 3 Temple Garden is ideal.

    I think you could possibly play another Wildwood or Tec Edge if you'd want. You do play a lot of untapped t1 green sources, which should allow you to play more utility lands imo.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [Primer] GW Hatebears
    Just to be DOL's everlasting foil.

    No Baneslayer > Baneslayer.

    To be fair, I'd rather cast Worship than Baneslayer any/every game.

    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [Primer] GW Hatebears
    I think Elspeth works positively with Mirran Crusader and evasion that Garruk can't provide... Her high starting base loyalty is really more effective in a meta where there's zoo, bolt, and that sort of stuff hanging around. 3/3's are really bad vs Garruk, and there's not a lot of 2 power targetable creatures in the format.

    Elspeth is like a sword. If you don't have any board presence, it's not great. But unlike a sword, with elspeth you can at least get some board presence on an empty board.

    Why did I like SoWaP over L&S? Because the decks I'd want swords against were: UWR, and UWR doesn't play an attrition game that much, your recursion isn't nearly as strong. You just want to push damage as quick as possible. It's totally possible to just go t1 birds, t2 sword, and win the game from there. But I don't think the swords is nearly as good as it was.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on Mana Base fine tuning tips
    it's way too subjective to build algorithms for. because each deck has different priorities on when and what kind of resources it needs to play.

    there's literally 100 different resources on how to do it, but most of it is involving templating...
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [Primer] GW Hatebears
    Got to agree with Mirran Crusader just having so much upside in the "if unanswered" column.

    I also think Lead the Stampede is usually better fit by more creatures... If you just top deck better (which is what this deck wants to do), you have a tight manabase as is, and aren't usually able to play more than one threat a turn. I get having boatloads of pressure is awesome, but without a way to reliably fill the board turn after turn with 2+ creatures that are value (like it would be in a Zoo, or Elves deck). It's good for digging and filtering out lands (to the bottom), but I think cards like Horizon Canopy I feel fit the role of improving top decks better.

    Re: Nylea. Wouldn't play well with worship, because if you only have 1 creature, and it's Nylea, it's not a creature, and turns Worship off.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [Primer] GW Hatebears
    Worship is literally that good.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [Primer] GW Hatebears
    Re: Planeswalkers - you attack them or ignore them. Usually Liliana is whatever don't bother because once she -1's, as long as you have cards in hand, most of the time, they won't use it again.

    Creatures: if you're concerned about creatures, play sunlance. If you don't want enemy's to fetch, play Arbiter + Mindecensor. But most of the time. Just don't care about the land you give them.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [Primer] GW Hatebears
    I don't think Ad Nauseum is a GP threat.

    It's a local threat, yes, but a GP or straight modern 8+ rounder, I think it's fringy enough still not to worry about devoting that many cards to it. I think postboard you're able to get there most of the time with just what's in your toolbox. Maybe a rule of law as well. But Thalia, Rule of Law, Worship, Spellskite, and Land Destruction make this a great matchup in practice. I have quite a few people locally who continue to play Ad Nauseum and just don't get the time, and get wrecked. If you have a clock and disruption, you get there 80% of the time post-board.

    I also don't think I've seen Gottlieb or Boettcher pick up Ad Nauseum since the PT (or any major players on Ad Nauseum @ GP Richmond). I think it was a meta deck for the PT and a fringe deck that gets hated out in a similar way to storm, and as long as that's the case, I think it'll sit outside.

    Edit: Spellskite won't work, nor does worship, by itself, because they do play multiple Slaughter Pacts & Patrician's Scorn.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [Primer] GW Hatebears
    That was my original list I started from (almost what? 12 months ago?). Missing 4 cards are Loxodon Smiters.

    Basically everything I've done was an evolution from that.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on Cards that should see more play in modern
    Mana Tithe is actually pretty relevant in Boggles in racing situations vs sweepers.
    Posted in: Modern
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