After you DESTROY whatever is left of their hand and board state by making the absolute WORST magic related decisions possible, yes, YES, for the love of GOD YES they will get another turn to pick up the pieces of their shattered game state and play on in humiliation when they top deck a declaration in stone and exile her before you get an attack in with her.
Oh no, not THAT.....God forbid you'd want to win the game or anything.....
Wow, you are ridiculously riled, try to maintain yourself.
The point is, ignoring the CA for the opponent in playing this card, and acting like it's a free win when it is still subject to removal is foolish. 13 mana for a worse mindslaver effect is not a game winning effect.
You mistake annoyed sarcasm for " ridiculously riled".
Also, since it wasn't hard cast your opponent won't get a free turn against you.
Your opponent doesn't get a free turn against you.
YOU get their turn, and then they get their regular turn. This belief that Emrakul gives opponents a "free" turn is foolish.
They take the next turn before you get your next turn. It's giving them another card, and the damage you can do during that turn you control them is limited. At the very least, they get a card
Ugh, for the love of GOD.
YES, they will get "a turn" before you.
After you DESTROY whatever is left of their hand and board state by making the absolute WORST magic related decisions possible, yes, YES, for the love of GOD YES they will get another turn to pick up the pieces of their shattered game state and play on in humiliation when they top deck a declaration in stone and exile her before you get an attack in with her.
Oh no, not THAT.....God forbid you'd want to win the game or anything.....
The problem really with endless one is that we aren't playing modern, where you cast a a 4/4 for 1. Personally i wouldn't be caught dead with it in my 75. a 3/3 for 3 that does nothing is garbage.
As a U/G Infect player, I have never lost a sanctioned match against burn also I think that guy meant Living End.
I know, it still isn't a thing tho.I mean, i suppose the deck is ok, but it sees practically zero play. I'm not going to get all worked up over a practically fictional matchup when the eldrazi are everywhere now, yanno?
Eldrazi: couldn't care less for phyrexian crusader, and can't handle well blighted agent.
affinity: see above.
RDW: BG and UG infect try to race, but UG have better SB against it.
Zoo: maybe the only MU where BG have a better chances. post SB maybe same chances.
BGx: spell pierce shines against lili, pulse etc, and so do blighted agent.
Tron: and good MU to BG and UG.
against living death and reanimator pierce and dispel also shine.
Can't really see how GB is in a better position.
Also, stating that casting t1 noble into t2 crusader is better than t1 noble into t2 blighted agent with counter or vines/ apostle's blessing ready to be cast is lying to yourself.
-So what is eldrazi doing against inkmoth/plague stinger again? Focusing on one dude when i have 12 others is foolishness. Don't do this anymore.
-All i see here is UG crying about the burn matchup. The sb is NOT better, and t2 crusader vs burn is lights out much of the time. There is NO equivalent in the UG list, just like there's no equivalent for vampiric link.
Don't bring this matchup up again please, it's disingenuous.
-BGx abrupt decay dismember and thoughtseize from the side do loads of work. But i have a hard time believing your matchup is anything but abysmal vs Jund and Abzan.
-Living death isn't a thing, i don't know why you brought it up.
-I NEVER SAID it was better, i said, 95% of the time a t2 crusader is FUNCTIONALLY EQUIVALENT to a t2 b.agent, because previously, before our new eldrazi overlords took up camp, wth was most decks to do about a t2 crusader? terminate? path? bolt? Electrolyze? the whole point was that b agent needs protection whereas most days crusader doesn't. and in the same matchups where crusader needs protecting, so does all of the UG list. So stop tying to get all upset because I'm saying things you don't necessarily want to hear.
So again, if you can speak from a non-delusional point, where are all these supposed edges? Because again, I've played infect in all its iterations and still do from time to time. I know the lists, i PLAY BOTH lists. the UG lists are going under, and you're here trying (and failing) to cherry pick what you think might be bad match ups when the reality is you don't know what you're talking about, and yet you come in here attempting to lecture me poorly about things you have no clue. Because if you did, you wouldn't have said half the things you said.
There is no cut for speed. I don't understand where you are coming up with these responses. BG runs just as many pump spells, and has just as many if not more evasive creatures. If anything, UG durdles more with gitaxian probe (do nothing) and spell pierce (extremely situational). The difference between t1 noble --> t2 crusader is functionally identical to noble into blighted agent in 95% of matches played,except blighted agent dies to everything and crusader is so much harder to answer. The list that others play runs Inquisition over thoughtseize, which is important because thoughtseize should be run over inquisition 100% of the time if it's a choice between the 2, and I feel strongly that it should be in the side, not main.
Therefore, it seems like these responses you keep posting are nonsense. Look at the BG list I posted. The things you are refuting are non existent. I kill on t2/3 slightly less often than a UG list, with the benefit of more staying power and more interaction and way more evasion. The lists i see posted run 6ish non-pump, as does mine. The rest of the list is all business, as is mine. My BG list has more business because it has 4 more creatures than the UG lists, adding more consistency, and the non pump spells durdle or don't do anything sometimes (I'm looking at you spell pierce).
You have yet to state any credible reason why/how UG isn't the sinking boat that BG isn't.
This is my BG list. Some experimental cards I'm unsure of still, stole the corpse cur from tom ross's list. The 2 Vampire's Bite used to be Might of Old Krosa , however adjusting the sideboard from 3 Vampiric Link to 2 I wanted to try to shore up the burn/zoo matchup some. Still not sure I like them but I haven't gotten in nearly enough testing yet.
Because abrupt decay does work. Dismember does work. Crusader still doesn't suck despite being slightly weaker, but gut shot is a thing now apparently, so good luck with that. But it's not about crusader vs eldrazi, but it lines up better than gelf or b. agent. it's about sideboarding, and UG can't run anything good that's relevant besides what its always run.
So across the 75:
-No abrupt decay
-No dismember
-no darkblast
-no thoughtseize
Just for starters.
The list for good black vs eldrazi is longer than anything blue or green can supply. I mean, Seal of primordium? I just can't get behind suggestions like this.
UG doesn't interact with Eldrazi much on purpose, just kill them. The Bg build is more tempo based and needs to clear the way of blockers and remove problematic cards. UG however, just doesn't care. Swing with unblockable and get in as much poison as fast as you can. Main deck Viridian Corrupter deals with problematic cards like Chalice of the Void and Spellskite. Dismember is still a popular card in the UG build, despite the lack of black mana. But mostly the UG build just wants to race and in the face of an opposing Chalice can still grind out counters with Exalted triggers from Noble Hierarch or Buffs from Wild Defiance.
Please don't try to explain anything, you're just making this worse. I know full well what both decks do and how, i play both. They both do the same thing; they count to 10 as fast as humanly possible. There is no functional difference between the 2 decks beyond the variations to accomplish their goals, which again, are exactly the same. Count to 10 ASAP.
What I'M saying is that UG is worse at counting to 10 than BG. Its worse than BG at sideboarding. It's just plain worse.
Because abrupt decay does work. Dismember does work. Crusader still doesn't suck despite being slightly weaker, but gut shot is a thing now apparently, so good luck with that. But it's not about crusader vs eldrazi, but it lines up better than gelf or b. agent. it's about sideboarding, and UG can't run anything good that's relevant besides what its always run.
So across the 75:
-No abrupt decay
-No dismember
-no darkblast
-no thoughtseize
Just for starters.
The list for good black vs eldrazi is longer than anything blue or green can supply. I mean, Seal of primordium? I just can't get behind suggestions like this.
Can someone explain me why everybody is cutting down on Groundswells? Cant we control Landfall with the fetches or whats the thing I am missing?
Might is an extra bit of pump for me to draw, i really don't much care for it tho, so i run 4 groundswell / 2 might of old krosa in my list. There is no surprise value in might, no ability to control a win, or win an otherwise unwinnable combat.
BUG is a trap, don't fall into it.
I think the real take away from the pt is that BG is better positioned to fight the eldrazi menace than UG. All the changes i see talked about here just seem bad.
The ship is sinking on UG. Meanwhile the BG boat is still nicely afloat.
removal for days, kalitas, read the bones. It's really R/B with blue splashed.
Nah, I'd rather be on the correct side of history.
Being duly correct is satisfaction enough, and *that* pleases me
You mistake annoyed sarcasm for " ridiculously riled".
Common mistake, I'll forgive it
This time .....
Ugh, for the love of GOD.
YES, they will get "a turn" before you.
After you DESTROY whatever is left of their hand and board state by making the absolute WORST magic related decisions possible, yes, YES, for the love of GOD YES they will get another turn to pick up the pieces of their shattered game state and play on in humiliation when they top deck a declaration in stone and exile her before you get an attack in with her.
Oh no, not THAT.....God forbid you'd want to win the game or anything.....
How did that do anything? faithless looting is a sorcery....
No.
Anguished Unmaking will handle abbey better.
I know, it still isn't a thing tho.I mean, i suppose the deck is ok, but it sees practically zero play. I'm not going to get all worked up over a practically fictional matchup when the eldrazi are everywhere now, yanno?
-So what is eldrazi doing against inkmoth/plague stinger again? Focusing on one dude when i have 12 others is foolishness. Don't do this anymore.
-All i see here is UG crying about the burn matchup. The sb is NOT better, and t2 crusader vs burn is lights out much of the time. There is NO equivalent in the UG list, just like there's no equivalent for vampiric link.
Don't bring this matchup up again please, it's disingenuous.
-BGx abrupt decay dismember and thoughtseize from the side do loads of work. But i have a hard time believing your matchup is anything but abysmal vs Jund and Abzan.
-Living death isn't a thing, i don't know why you brought it up.
-I NEVER SAID it was better, i said, 95% of the time a t2 crusader is FUNCTIONALLY EQUIVALENT to a t2 b.agent, because previously, before our new eldrazi overlords took up camp, wth was most decks to do about a t2 crusader? terminate? path? bolt? Electrolyze? the whole point was that b agent needs protection whereas most days crusader doesn't. and in the same matchups where crusader needs protecting, so does all of the UG list. So stop tying to get all upset because I'm saying things you don't necessarily want to hear.
So again, if you can speak from a non-delusional point, where are all these supposed edges? Because again, I've played infect in all its iterations and still do from time to time. I know the lists, i PLAY BOTH lists. the UG lists are going under, and you're here trying (and failing) to cherry pick what you think might be bad match ups when the reality is you don't know what you're talking about, and yet you come in here attempting to lecture me poorly about things you have no clue. Because if you did, you wouldn't have said half the things you said.
Therefore, it seems like these responses you keep posting are nonsense. Look at the BG list I posted. The things you are refuting are non existent. I kill on t2/3 slightly less often than a UG list, with the benefit of more staying power and more interaction and way more evasion. The lists i see posted run 6ish non-pump, as does mine. The rest of the list is all business, as is mine. My BG list has more business because it has 4 more creatures than the UG lists, adding more consistency, and the non pump spells durdle or don't do anything sometimes (I'm looking at you spell pierce).
You have yet to state any credible reason why/how UG isn't the sinking boat that BG isn't.
4 Noble hierarch
4 Glistener Elf
4 Plague Stinger
4 Phyrexian Crusader
2 Spellskite
Spells
2 Mutagenic Growth
2 Rancor
2 Vampire's Bite
4 Groundswell
2 Become Immense
4 Vines of Vastwood
4 Abrupt Decay
2 Dismember
1 Marsh Flats
1 Polluted Delta
2 Windswept Heath
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Swamp
1 Forest
4 Overgrown Tomb
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Inkmoth Nexus
2 Darkblast
3 Thoughtseize
2 Vampiric Link
3 Nihil Spellbomb
3 Golgari Charm
2 Corpse Cur
This is my BG list. Some experimental cards I'm unsure of still, stole the corpse cur from tom ross's list. The 2 Vampire's Bite used to be Might of Old Krosa , however adjusting the sideboard from 3 Vampiric Link to 2 I wanted to try to shore up the burn/zoo matchup some. Still not sure I like them but I haven't gotten in nearly enough testing yet.
Please don't try to explain anything, you're just making this worse. I know full well what both decks do and how, i play both. They both do the same thing; they count to 10 as fast as humanly possible. There is no functional difference between the 2 decks beyond the variations to accomplish their goals, which again, are exactly the same. Count to 10 ASAP.
What I'M saying is that UG is worse at counting to 10 than BG. Its worse than BG at sideboarding. It's just plain worse.
So across the 75:
-No abrupt decay
-No dismember
-no darkblast
-no thoughtseize
Just for starters.
The list for good black vs eldrazi is longer than anything blue or green can supply. I mean, Seal of primordium? I just can't get behind suggestions like this.
Might is an extra bit of pump for me to draw, i really don't much care for it tho, so i run 4 groundswell / 2 might of old krosa in my list. There is no surprise value in might, no ability to control a win, or win an otherwise unwinnable combat.
BUG is a trap, don't fall into it.
I think the real take away from the pt is that BG is better positioned to fight the eldrazi menace than UG. All the changes i see talked about here just seem bad.
The ship is sinking on UG. Meanwhile the BG boat is still nicely afloat.
T2 corrupter seems good vs their t2 chalice. CFB agrees.
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/infect-in-the-post-pt-eldrazi-metagame/