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  • posted a message on all 5 Phyrexian praetor in phyrexian language secret lair price
    Quote from foam_dome »
    Quote from Dontrike »
    Did people translate Phyrexian to English yet?


    There's an entire page about the Phyrexian language on the wiki.

    Thanks, I remember that being a bit difficult back when Elesh Norn had that Judge Promo, never kept up with that.
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  • posted a message on Secret Lair: Dan Frazier is Back: The Allied and Enemy Signets
    Quote from Melkor »

    Except it's not everything. to top the etched foils with the artist who did the Moxen, Wizards would have to do something REALLY cool. And the signets are in absolutely massive demand.

    Didn't say they were not in demand, but thanks for that.

    They are crazy popular staples in the format that cares about bling. Obviously these have an upper limit, but if i had X dollars to park in these or dual lands for 5 years, the etched foil of these would have much better returns. there is a big difference between 'buy everything and hope' and 'pull the trigger on pretty much the safest bet in town.'

    I could buy 400 of these if I wanted to, but I'm not interested in turning a game into an investment opportunity. I am not arguing these won't be worth something, but I'm not interested in hearing "Save nothing, spend all."
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  • posted a message on Secret Lair: Dan Frazier is Back: The Allied and Enemy Signets
    Quote from Mystic_X »

    Price is irrelevant and very reasonable.

    .......What? Price is irrelevant? What?

    Every commander player will want these foils which will only rise in market value year after year

    I don't want these foil or at all, so I guess it's not "every commander player" now is it?

    A purchase delayed is an investment denied

    Well dang, with that logic I should buy everything ever just in case it goes up in price later. Never save, always spend.


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  • posted a message on all 5 Phyrexian praetor in phyrexian language secret lair price
    I fully expected this one to be $50-$100. Since a dare was stated to complain about it I'll go with the constant "the foils in these curl terribly" complaint.

    I might actually be forced to buy this solely because of the Phyrexian text. Did people translate Phyrexian to English yet?
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  • posted a message on Secret Lair: Mother's Day 2021— Four Mother of Runes
    I don't know why, but I don't like this. None of the art really speaks to me and the price for this is not great. Mother of Runes is a good card, but not $30 for four good.
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  • posted a message on Secret Lair: Dan Frazier is Back: The Allied and Enemy Signets
    These look fantastic. I won't buy them based on price alone, but more art like that in Magic is never a bad thing.
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  • posted a message on Secret Lair: Stranger Things
    I'm really glad that someone brought up the fact that P3k and Arabian Nights are sets that ALSO fit this break of UB. I'm a fierce advocate of Rule 0 and while I can kinda see someone getting upset about silver-bordered cards at the table, it irks me that people will actively bar people from using these cards. Yeah, I don't give a flip about your semantics of "I'm not saying that they can't play with them I'm just saying that I'm not going to play with someone that plays them." It's still gatekeeping.

    But gatekeeping discussion aside, for those naysayers that say that "noone plays cards from Arabian Nights or P3k" I have for you the following list:

    Loyal Retainers

    This is an interesting argument, if we go by the "near 30 years ago they did this a couple of times" you could use that same argument for giving blue burn again, land destruction or damage prevention.

    The game vastly changed since then and those characters and stories are far more linked to mythology than say a particular story and the fact that they gave up on it in lieu of doing their own stories, lore, and mythology along with not trying it for another 20+ years sort of lends some credence in the "this doesn't work" camp.

    Of course nowadays crossovers are all the rage and with that especially WotC is definitely introducing some AAA video game industry stuff into the game the past couple of years, and part of that is crossovers among with many other aspects. Some are getting tired of this, just like with superhero movies, zombie iconography, and others that have plagued media for the last decade. Others of course have seen Magic stay more or less pure for two decades now and this does feel like it's cheapening the brand considerably.

    Honestly, all of this is eye rolling. Not even a year into UB and we'll have 2 SLs and a core set removed (yay no reprints!) and we still have a full set and commander deck series changed coming up. What became "we might do it again" is now "get used to it f***os, we're making money and we'll kick this dead horse until you can see the Nike symbol on it. Now let's talk about the Mountain Dew Black Lotus." About five years ago this was "nah, we're not gonna do crossovers, it might cheapen Magic" to "you can fight space gods with squirrels, so this makes perfect sense now buy some Spongebob PWs for your Legacy Deck to have a chance at being a pro!"

    Between this and the absolute tsunami of product Magic has pumped out the last two years this looks far more like a gacha game lately than the longest running card game in the world. This week is TWD banner, next week is Stranger Things banner, and stay tuned for the eventual power creep we'll shove in with these units/cards that you'll just have to get to stay competitive.

    I'll say this, it's stupid to say you wouldn't play with someone with those cards, just like it's stupid to say you don't like people that don't like UB. It's no different than saying "I won't play against turn 1 infinite combo" or a specific format and you wouldn't judge them for not playing a format, would you?

    In the end as the crossovers become money makers it is far more likely that Magic will be an IP licensing vehicle more so than it's own thing. Companies don't stop when they make money and Hasbro/WotC see just how much they can make by pushing this out. They'll push it until something makes them stop either no more money coming in or, much like with loot boxes, regulations get thrown in and I don't see either happening any time soon with this.

    Before the whole "that's just doom and gloom, don't worry" argument I'll point to the video game industry for just how bad it got and how bad it still is as my example.
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  • posted a message on Secret Lair: Stranger Things

    That's already what is happening with casual players playing with their custom-made decks made wuth MSE on Cockatrice, no big deal.

    Folks doing what they wish in their own free time is definitely not the same as this.
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  • posted a message on UB cards from secret lairs will be reprinted in MTG form in “The list” and maybe even certain sets in magic
    They also keep accidentally making cards on the Reserved List, so that's another reason for them not to like the Reserved List.

    He also said that we'd never see crossovers in Magic years ago too, 'cause it wouldn't make sense, and yet here we are with 5 UB sets/SLs within a couple years and now he says "well you can give a sword to a squirrel and block an eldritch horror" as a reason why UB should happen. You see the problem with quoting a man that has said two very contradicting things? Unfortunately, he changes his mind often. Change happens and it's almost never for the better.

    If they wanted to get rid of the Reserved List they can do it at any time and has been for some time now. The potential legal fallout (which I don't think there would be much of, personally) will come nowhere close to the profits they'd make printing Mox and Black Lotus or the myriad of other RL cards.

    Quote from Grixh »

    That seems like a weird agreement. They'd be using only their own IP, on a card which they designed in their system. And no one at Wizards has said "Oh, we can't do that because of the licensing agreement," even though that would be a straightforward and simple explanation if it were true.

    The reason they added foils was because they were actively seeking to circumvent the reserved list and people got mad. It was fallout from Wizards clearly demonstrating their dislike of it.

    And as soon as someone even made one small peep about it what did they do? They didn't grow a spine and kept doing it, but instead decided to reinforce the Reserved List further. If they don't like it they can get rid of it at any time, which has always been the case. Literally nothing is stopping them and any random lawsuit will be peanuts compared to how much they'd make.

    They hate the RL like I hate myself being overweight. If I don't do anything about it to make myself healthier then do I really hate it or am I just looking to complain and give the illusion that I care? Have they tried to go around it? Yes, but then they back right off at first sign of trouble like a skittish cat.
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  • posted a message on Secret Lair: Stranger Things
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    Never watched Stranger Things, don't intend to any time soon, so I couldn't care about this outside of the eye rolling nature of UB, Secret Lairs, and both put together. I will say this, that art of that boy/girl/thing looks like it should be on a Goosebumps cover and not on a Magic card.


    Her name is Eleven, she's played by Millie Bobbie Brown, the art is ripped straight from the show, and I'm fairly confident she prefers traditionally female pronouns (she/her).

    The "boy/girl/thing" is not knowing the character nor the actor that plays them, which should have been clear when I said I have never watched it. Pulled from the show or not that art looks low quality. TWD art wasn't all that great either.
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  • posted a message on Secret Lair: Stranger Things
    Never watched Stranger Things, don't intend to any time soon, so I couldn't care about this outside of the eye rolling nature of UB, Secret Lairs, and both put together. I will say this, that art of that boy/girl/thing looks like it should be on a Goosebumps cover and not on a Magic card.

    Quote from xaltair »
    These cards will be part of future The list sets as well so you can get them from set packs, why would you buy the secret lair then? Also they said that they're directly for commander only.

    We'll see how "commander only" they'll be as time goes on. Eventually they'll screw up and put a Vintage/Legacy card that will break things.
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  • posted a message on UB cards from secret lairs will be reprinted in MTG form in “The list” and maybe even certain sets in magic
    Quote from Grixh »

    They've stated explicitly (or at least MaRo has) that the TWD cards can be printed as in-universe equivalents. Why they are not included in this update is unclear and quite a shame.

    Likely licensing issues. Every year they have to renew it if they want to keep using it, likely even with Magic versions as the characters name would appear on it (if they do Godzilla template with the "real name" being below the fake name.) They probably didn't renew that license this year, and if they do want to use it it will likely show up next year, if they do want to make Magic versions of TWD.

    Here's another card that's not being mentioned. Zilortha, Strength Incarnate, we still don't have the actual Magic card for it, even though we actually know the name of the card. We're past a year at this point of this card existing and no sign of it.

    Edit: not to mention that they generally consider the original reserved list a big (if not their biggest) mistake.

    They say it is, but the way they act about it kind of contradicts that. Like when they added foils to the reserved list, which originally they could reprint foils of them.

    Quote from soramaro »
    This would've sufficed if they only did UB in Secret Lairs. But it doesn't address the "no Magic universe equivalent" issue for cards in the upcoming UB sets. I doubt they're very keen on "fixing" this since it would mean a lot of extra work. But for me, this step alone isn't enough to get me back into MtG.

    This fix is more of a side step, personally. It doesn't fix that we will have hundreds of UB cards that will need Magic versions. At some point we'll just have a Magic set dedicated to UB cards and giving them Magic versions.

    Of course the simplest solution to UB is to not do it or make them silver bordered.
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  • posted a message on UB cards from secret lairs will be reprinted in MTG form in “The list” and maybe even certain sets in magic
    Quote from vomder »
    Not including TWD cards is quite odd here, as if they are given completely new art and wording would have no connection to the IP, so I doubt licensing would have a play in not redoing them.

    You'd be surprised how weird licensing can be. I play one gacha game where they can't even upgrade a character because the licensing only included what was initially agreed on. It likely has some stipulation to not be included in boosters or something and they'd have to license the TWD later if they want to do do, which would cost more money every time they want to do so.

    This is part of the reason the UB Reserved List is a likely thing even with this solution.
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  • posted a message on UB cards from secret lairs will be reprinted in MTG form in “The list” and maybe even certain sets in magic
    Quote from Blogatog »
    Hey Mark, My LGS is currently concerned about the lack of Draft boosters that they have been able to order for recent sets. Can you please assuage our fears that Wizards is phasing out draft boosters? I personally don't enjoy set/collector boosters, because I don't like opening packs without drafting them (not to mention those boosters have cards I can't get in draft boosters, which is an entirely separate complaint).

    Strixhaven’s draft booster shortage was a combination of trying to gauge set booster reaction during a pandemic along with COVID-related printing issues. We have taken steps to adjust the percentage.

    And look at that, part of it came from their focus on a new product. As for the Covid related issues it was a year in, every business should have had that figured out, many did within two months with little issues. If it didn't exist, or focused on, more draft packs would have been made. We've seen them turning focus away from draft packs as we've gotten two new boosters they want to push in the last two years (collectors and set, and more so now with set). They have increasingly wanted people to buy less draft packs, but more of the new expensive stuff. It's no surprise a business wants you to spend more on the pricier products.
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  • posted a message on UB cards from secret lairs will be reprinted in MTG form in “The list” and maybe even certain sets in magic
    Draft booster print runs have gone down because it's the pandemic and no one is drafting in person, so Wizards can get away with less draft boosters. With how big Limited is, this will not last for very long.

    But that didn't happen with M21, Ikoria, Zendikar, Double Masters, Jumpstart, Commander Legends, or Kaldheim. Yes, Core Set and Ikoria shipping out was fudged up due to the pandemic, but a full year after the pandemic started they start doing it? Also, people also buy them just to open, not necessarily to draft.
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