MTG Salvation

Quote from BaronCappuccino »

Magic has always had three spheres of challenge, for lack of a better way to phrase it. You've got to, first off, come up with a good deck. Then you've got to acquire the cards for it. Finally, you've got to get good at playing it. The internet certainly helps speed up step one. Acquiring the cards is supposed to be no small feat. You needn't necessarily spend money on cards outright - it is a collectible card game after all, and the intent was that folks would trade from their collections. Like most video games these days, you can progress by grinding your time away, or you can pay cash for a shortcut. Acquiring the best cards for one's deck, particularly, I imagine, if it's one you concocted yourself, is a good feeling. Once you've done that, you're finally ready to see how good you are at Magic. That's Magic, the Gathering, a game you play from cards you've gathered.

This thread in general gave me severe brain rot, but this post in particular was special.
So you go on and grind, and grind, and grind, because you're not a customer or a person, you're ******* farming equipment. Pretty 1984, not an evil or dystopic disposition to have for your consumer base at all, and of course it has to be excruciating or you don't "desserve" your cards according to some people in this thread. Anyway, you grind for years and then you have finally "earned" your vintage deck. Now you can play.

NO, YOU CAN'T! Because you're the only imbecile who wasted so much time doing something so stupid for so long and now all the people you could play with are banned from playing because they needed proxies to compete.

Most of you who play the dance and song of "entitled this entitled that" are speaking from a double dose of ignorance and egotism. Fist, you don't play the ******* format or are even trying to get into it, some of you actively want it dead because you're too petty and self-centered to believe someone else desserves to get any fun out of being a long-time player, because they're not doing things exactly how you do or how you like it so they must be right and stopped immediately. Pretty ****ed up in the head there.
Secondly, you keep opening your mouths and letting utter bull ***** fall of claiming that vintage players don't spend money on the game. Do you have any ******* idea how many boxes of Conspiracy had to be opened for just 10 vintage players to have their foil Dack Fayden? Oh but that can't be, your little microcosmovision cannot fathom that vintage players have spend a dime on magic since '94, you havent taken a ******* second to look at any decklist database and realize at least a third of every competitive vintage deck is composed of cards that saw their first printing in the modern border, or that at least half of the rest have more accessible or more desirable newer versions such as fist-time foils, no, that cannot be true because "vintage players don't buy cards :V"
Most proxi tournaments are 10 proxi, specifically so they can account for the power 9 and one other ridiculously hard to get piece like Imperial Seal, no one was coming for your *****ty Gideons and flip Jaces that cost you so much to get and have you so proud of your "economic standing" and how you desserve to win more than filthy poor people.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if getting a playset of foil Young Pyromancer or Gitaxian Probe for two vintage players sold more boosters than outfitting a whole T2 PTQ's worth of tier 1 decks. But sure, eternal players don't make WotC any money.

This is getting increasingly ridiculous, the company seems to be now run by mental bureaucrats who erred their way to Marvel where the IPs and character are actual cultural icons and not just ***** meant to dress up A TOY, and I'm starting to wonder if there is any legal recouse against WotC for making it increasingly difficult to play their stupid game after promoting an "investment" that rivals real estate. Specially having in mind that effective Dec 2015 their last word about proxi vintage was PROMOTING it and telling you to ask your LGS or TO about it. In the meanwhile:
I support players or a company unrelated to WotC creating an alternative competitive ranking system and tournament scene. There cannot be any semblance of seriousness so long as we depend on a company that bans you for ***** you did 10 years ago or for belonging to a facebook group wether you participate or not.
I support the death of the Resserved List and the mass printing of paper Vintage Masters. I own moxen, I don't care. White bordered power stands to lose more value if vintage stops being a sanctioned format than by being reprinted by the millions. AB power won't lose at all either way.
I support the banning of all Resserved List cards in Legacy and Commander. If they don't have half the ball to ask the most litigious toy company to pull them off from a non-binding promise they made to idiotic manchildren 18 years ago, WotC shoud at least bite the ******* bullet and cut the dead weight from these formats. Only 28 cards in the RL are played in Legacy, 10 are the Dual Lands, 12 are sideboard tech or only seen in rogue decks. Storm and Lands can survive without LED and Tabernacle.
If neither of these were to happen, I support chinese counterfeits. WotC doesn't give a ***** if I get to play the stupidly expensive cards I bought for them? I don't give a ***** if their precious secondary market business partners and collectors get ****ed out of selling their hoarded power nine.

As a last word. Having such an emotional investment in your adquisitive power that you wish harm on other people for asking to be able to play a game (in a non-sanctioned competitive setting, while supporting their LGS) can't not be a mental illness, and a bunch of people in this thread really need to get checked.

Quote from Canadian Guy of Wrath »

You think Eternal formats being expensive to get into are a problem because you fail to appreciate the hard work, time and money people put into making decks for those formats: I doubt someone who has put thousands of dollars towards a Legacy deck would be thrilled to hear that a bunch of his cards halved in value because the netdeckers on MTGS asked WotC to make it so.

And this is the crux of the issue: the player who has put in all that time, work and money into actually building the deck matters more to everyone than those who complain they can't do it.

Cards aren't expensive because they're good. Cards are expensive because you can buy all the Gaddock Teegs from your home and count on "price memory" and WotC's subservience to the secondary market to save you from the scary wrongbad stuff about real investments such as market corrections, excess supply-low demand, and being a **** up loser. They're not only making playing the game require less brainpower, they're making sure the "investors" don't need to have any grey matter either.

Most of the game's value is entirely artificial and even that which isn't doesn't have to be so high. The game doesn't need to be this expensive, and the shrinking of tournament attendance thanks to $600 standard decks is proof enough.

I had playsets of shocklands since RAV. Didn't give a ***** they devalued because of RTR.
I had playsets of fetchlands since ONS. Didn't give a ***** they devalued because of KTK.
Didn't give a ***** my Bitterblossoms devalued with the ban, then appreciated with the unban, then devalued with the reprint.
Didn't give a ***** my Affinity deck's value is on a rollercoaster since MM13. Didn't give a ***** people could buy Thoughtseize for $15 when I bought mine at $40. Don't give a ***** people can get playsets of Bob for half what I paid for mine. And most certainly wouldn't give a ***** if my duals devalued too.
Because I'm not an idiot.
When I want to buy something that will appreciate, what grown-ups call an investment, I attend a real estate agency, auction house, US Mint or Wall Street. Not Wal Mart.

You bark that "entitled this, entitled that" song a lot. You (and here I speak to all dealers, collectors and stores) are not entitled to the "value" of industrially produced pieces of paper that are neither fiat money or backed by real values to hold their current market price.
Magic's value comes from being a game. And what I do give a ***** about is the declining numbers of long-term players and LGS attendance. Because the only way all this cardboard stops being valuable and starts being just a bunch of cardboard, is if people don't have the chance to play it both at it's casual and competitive levels.

The only reasons for someone to be such an apologist is because of being re-seller or having emotional issues numbed by owning expensive *****. Notthing else makes sense. It's not like constantly antagonizing all critique will give you good-boy points with WotC.