I thought this might be in, but I thought this would have been mythic. With a rare level reprinting this will definitely be cheap enough for afford, for many.
This was practically a shoe in, what with it being the best blue mythic, arguably. Glad this is seeing reprint, should brings its price down enough where I could grab one at some point.
You didn't read the part when I said reprinting the 2009 decks would make it necessary to raise the price to 200 because of the required profit margins of the product right? They aren't going to be giving free cards outside of the 6 planes.
Who wants them to give this away for free? This is about putting a price to it that is appropriate for what we are getting. I'm sure this doesn't cost that much more to make than DD: Anthology, in fact it should cost a bit less, if not the same, seeing as the packaging should be smaller for it with less product to house, that it needs to cost $50 more for profit margins.
PC 2012 does have sought after cards as well, mostly when it comes to the new ones, but yes the plane cards being unable to be used in many areas and this costing more because of it definitely doesn't sit right.
By that logic, each individual Planechase deck was a terrible product as well, considering that had 70 cards as opposed to an individual Duel Deck's 120. The multiplier used isn't exactly wrong (basically a 25% increase per individual product), but since that logic already found the individual decks as not worth the price, then naturally a compilation would seem that much worse multiplied as well.
I'm already sort of glad they didn't include the 2009 decks (which were all reprints if I didn't remember wrongly) and have the price raised to 200 instead.
The main catch is whether you think it's worth paying the price of 6 regular cards for a single plane-sized one. If you don't, then no variation of the product will meet your expectations, because that was the basis of the original product.
It would be good if 2009 was included, first it would actually be correct based on the definition of Anthology and second then it would be worth $150. If it had 8 decks and all the planes then I wouldn't be complaining about the price, but for only 4 decks and all the planes it really should be $100. The planes are only expensive because of scarcity, not because everyone wants them, and many who like the format already have some amount of the planes, which makes a good chunk of this less useful and even less of a reason to buy this to get what they are missing. I like Planechase and the format, but why make this so expensive for those that want to try it or finally get their hands on all of it, the price only scares them away and makes this harder to sell.
The game Muchkin has the same kind of cards, but the sets they released them in doesn't cost more because of them.
Cards like goyf allows them to set a higher MSRP in the first place. In that way, he DOES dictate the price of those packs. It's the same here. But since planechase guarantees you every single plane card in existence instead of randomizing, it is set higher. If Wizards print 2 random plane per pack the MSRP will also be a lot lower.
If you feel that the price is too high, then this product doesn't aim at you.I myself buy the planechase only for the plane. The deck itself is virtually worthless (except the 2012 one which contains new card, and they do include those here). I pay $160 for 80 plane and need to hunt down the other 6 myself, adding to the cost. $150 is a fine deal, and if I don't own planechase already I'll probably pay for it.
Except they gave us 480 cards with DD Anthology and that only cost $100 when here we are getting 326 and somehow it adds up to an extra $50. Even given the planes and their semi rarity, the format isn't all that popular so why make it more expensive when this could mean getting more people into this format and making future installments? For what we are getting there is no excuse for $150.
We are getting about 35% to 40% less than the last Anthology and yet it costs 50% more. How does that make sense? This is the same thing with MM2 compared to MM1 and how they charged more for MM2 even though it was far worse, in almost every way, than its predecessor.
The number of cards doesn't matter. Modern Master pack got same amount of cards as the normal packs but it's so much more expensive.
My point of MM2 was a worse product that cost more, and we did get less cards from it in the form of boxes, so that point wasn't completely wrong. This having far less in it and costing so much more I am willing to say this is equally as bad.
The comparisons to Duel Deck Anthology sort of are hard to swallow, as some of those Duel Decks had highly sought after cards. Which are of course playable in a lot of formats. The Planes and Phenomenon? Not legal in any event.
I'm sort of the target for this product, but I am not interested in it. I like non-standard 1on1 funstuff. I have been waiting for Archenemy 2. But alas, it is above what I would pay for reprints of cards I don't really want.
PC 2012 does have sought after cards as well, mostly when it comes to the new ones, but yes the plane cards being unable to be used in many areas and this costing more because of it definitely doesn't sit right.
Cards like goyf allows them to set a higher MSRP in the first place. In that way, he DOES dictate the price of those packs. It's the same here. But since planechase guarantees you every single plane card in existence instead of randomizing, it is set higher. If Wizards print 2 random plane per pack the MSRP will also be a lot lower.
If you feel that the price is too high, then this product doesn't aim at you.I myself buy the planechase only for the plane. The deck itself is virtually worthless (except the 2012 one which contains new card, and they do include those here). I pay $160 for 80 plane and need to hunt down the other 6 myself, adding to the cost. $150 is a fine deal, and if I don't own planechase already I'll probably pay for it.
Except they gave us 480 cards with DD Anthology and that only cost $100 when here we are getting 326 and somehow it adds up to an extra $50. Even given the planes and their semi rarity, the format isn't all that popular so why make it more expensive when this could mean getting more people into this format and making future installments? For what we are getting there is no excuse for $150.
We are getting about 35% to 40% less than the last Anthology and yet it costs 50% more. How does that make sense? This is the same thing with MM2 compared to MM1 and how they charged more for MM2 even though it was far worse, in almost every way, than its predecessor.
The number of total cards is irrelevant. The cards you get matter. Plane chase cards are expensive, therefore this set costs more. It's that simple. Don't like it? Don't buy it. There are plenty of people like me that have wanted Plane cards and will gladly pay to get all in one place while also getting other cards. This is a deal to me. It has been said over and over on this forum, not every set is for every person.
The secondary market value of the plane cards should be irrelevant for the price of this. I understand this isn't for everyone, but that isn't the discussion. The discussion is that the price is too high for what you are getting, even if this is for any one person and even if they can easily afford it. Just because it is for you doesn't mean you should pay more than you should be.
I know they don't want the cards in these to be necessarily playable in Standard, but all it takes is the PW to be decent and one of the cards that search for it to be decent and we could be looking at more problems, unless all the card does is search for that planeswalker, but I suppose we will see. I'm glad though that intro decks are getting an update and this could mean seeing other PWs that we may not in card form in a set. Like now (yes I know it won't come out until Kaladesh) if Tamiyo didn't get a card we could get one of her, which is nice to give some PWs some extra stuff and stand out more, even if these won't be the best.
While it is possible they could eventually put a character like Tamiyo in one of these it seems more likely they will focus on the Origin 5. If this product is for beginners it would be more useful to introduce them to characters they can follow instead of a character that won't show up for another 5+ years. Plus with the planeswalker uniqueness rule they can mitigate the impact of these intro planeswalker by having a better version in the regular expansions.
They did mention the PWs would be relevant to the block, so in the case of SoI it would be possible to see Tamiyo as she is in the story. It would be strange if in the SoI example decks to see Ajani (unless he shows up, which is most likely not happening) as he has nothing to do with Innistrad, as of now.
Spoilers will taper off next week as we'll know the set by Friday.
My hope is snow basics in here, just because.
Who wants them to give this away for free? This is about putting a price to it that is appropriate for what we are getting. I'm sure this doesn't cost that much more to make than DD: Anthology, in fact it should cost a bit less, if not the same, seeing as the packaging should be smaller for it with less product to house, that it needs to cost $50 more for profit margins.
It would be good if 2009 was included, first it would actually be correct based on the definition of Anthology and second then it would be worth $150. If it had 8 decks and all the planes then I wouldn't be complaining about the price, but for only 4 decks and all the planes it really should be $100. The planes are only expensive because of scarcity, not because everyone wants them, and many who like the format already have some amount of the planes, which makes a good chunk of this less useful and even less of a reason to buy this to get what they are missing. I like Planechase and the format, but why make this so expensive for those that want to try it or finally get their hands on all of it, the price only scares them away and makes this harder to sell.
The game Muchkin has the same kind of cards, but the sets they released them in doesn't cost more because of them.
My point of MM2 was a worse product that cost more, and we did get less cards from it in the form of boxes, so that point wasn't completely wrong. This having far less in it and costing so much more I am willing to say this is equally as bad.
PC 2012 does have sought after cards as well, mostly when it comes to the new ones, but yes the plane cards being unable to be used in many areas and this costing more because of it definitely doesn't sit right.
The secondary market value of the plane cards should be irrelevant for the price of this. I understand this isn't for everyone, but that isn't the discussion. The discussion is that the price is too high for what you are getting, even if this is for any one person and even if they can easily afford it. Just because it is for you doesn't mean you should pay more than you should be.
They did mention the PWs would be relevant to the block, so in the case of SoI it would be possible to see Tamiyo as she is in the story. It would be strange if in the SoI example decks to see Ajani (unless he shows up, which is most likely not happening) as he has nothing to do with Innistrad, as of now.