It is two drop that has two power. It doesn't even trade well on the defense. Even kicked it is five for 5 power. It is bad. Please do not play this card.
It is what a red splash fo stompy would look like. However I suppose it’s closer to rg zoo. Congrats on the tourney result though. I like the inclusion of branchwalker.
I don't know what to tell you if you haven't already cut Kalonian Tusker before this.
Edit: Sorry don't want to be condescending but Tuskers should go first based on card power level. If you for some reason play too many 3 drops then consider Baloth for your curve.
You are saying we should stick to just budget and then sarcastically mention there's no more discussion to be had... I don't even know what to say to this.
Edit: Sorry for showing up in the thread again. I was hoping there would be people who wanted to discuss making a better deck even if it means considering not going budget- as weird as that sounds to me. I understand people have different budgets but this is literally just for discussion online... I am all in for debating what is better but if this thread isn't ready for it - I'll be leaving too so you can have peace and quiet.
There's a difference between saying "budget friendly is a good thing" and "suggesting expensive cards rubs proponents the wrong way".
I just read the opening post and the basic deck list has 2 Horizon Canopys... What are you even talking about.. This is a needlessly expensive card that doesn't even add anything to the sub optimal list posted....
What matches what you think? The very words you have said? or the opening post because like I said, there is a difference between "hey this is a nice deck for a budget!" and "This deck historically likes to build on a budget and adding a $250 playset to enable a new card might rub a lot of this deck’s proponents the wrong way."
My bad but even then why would that rub your proponents the wrong way then? If it does then this thread continues to manage to disappoint me. We should be trying to make the best build possible and share your knowledge/experience. Are you kidding me with even mentioning the notion that some people here are going to be rubbed the wrong way if you want to add expensive cards in the deck?
What? Rubbing your opponent the wrong way buying expensive cards? Noble Hierarch is just bad for the current build. It may be better for some bigger midrange coco build but just saying Hierarch is bad is enough.. I don't understand this notion of keeping this deck budget at all is coming from. If there are better cards at higher cost, play them if you want to get better... Goyf isn't played in this deck because it sucks in this deck not because it's expensive.
Okay. You have "literally" used dictionary definitions of these words. But. But but but, you have actually provided a decent argument this time but it really hinges that these words are black and white definitions based on an online dictionary search. Life isn't an online dictionary search. Go outside and meet people, find out whether or not they are actually bad people rather than internet arm chair judge them. But I am impressed though. You have provided an argument to follow and it's not bad. Congratulacions!
Here is something to consider: Words or Language are mere tools we use to communicate. Their meaning changes over time based on what's useful.
Sarcasm is a literary device to convey irony to mock people. That sounds right. But it is very commonly used for jovial humor by the same mechanism except with different intentions. You seem to be unable to define sarcasm in this context without the malicious contempt but it can and does exist without it. You are interpreting this definition of sarcasm- something you agreed you could not do. Sarcasm exists without the intent to express contempt. Is it possible for him to be jovial? Perhaps unlikely, but not impossible. He says this is how he communicates then you just kind of take it as is. And you can reference his previous post which perhaps was condescending but you are still interpreting this contempt.
We already agreed you cannot interpret emotions or intent from text. He could have been condescending or jovial. It really doesn't matter.
But EY YOOOOOO you actually "asked for opinions" on Yisan.
Also since you really love to google definitions.
"Secondly i never suggested Yisan. I asked for opinions on it. "
Suggest by definition is to put something forward for consideration.
It kind of sounds like you were asking our consideration or opinions on it. But I don't know anything about that.
Leaving this thread for a long while. I apologize to anyone actually trying to discuss this deck even though I don't think there's much to discuss right now. Have fun with your cardboard yall. Infraction issued for flaming. --CavalryWolfPack
Oh you got me there. I didn't read the 2nd half of your post since honestly, you are massively incoherent and constantly contradict yourself and again you thought Yisan should be considered.
"You CANT interpret emotion or intent. So then why be sarcastic? Being sarcastic in text is so easily seen as condescending precisely because you CANT interpret emotion and intent."
You agree you cannot interpret anything but then you say it can be interpreted as condescending. Look! a contradiction that destroys your own argument. It seems to elude you that sarcasm and condescension has to be intended or interpreted. If you cannot find intent and it is not right to interpret his text as sarcastic/condescending how it "easily seen" that way.
"And you even further prove my point by talking about ceaseless hunger. It doesnt matter what his insight is it matter how you react to his advice whether its bad or not. Sarcasm CAN and WILL be interpreted as condescending. You can agree as much as you want with him but youre wrong. Sarcasm has no place here where no one knows you, your intent or your emotion. It WILL be seen as condescending and rightfully so. Whwn someone asks for advice your useless sarcastic comments arent needed and dont advance the conversation. "
So again you agree with the notion that you cannot interpret emotion or intent from text but then cite you will interpret it as condescending. Then you ramble some incoherent nonsense about how much more wrong you are. It's like you continue to say something but you don't understand you are contradicting yourself.
Also you really like to use the word literally so I kind of feel you are the type of person to watch Leafy videos on youtube which means you are probably 12. It makes sense that you cannot type coherent arguments I guess. Really. Sarcasm isn't the enemy. Perhaps it's not used well in this context but it offers some nice range in humor when used correctly. Do not fret young gun, you will cognitively develop the ability to interpret fine humor one day- maybe not. In the mean time, lay off those Leafy videos and don't play Yisan in this deck!
I am quite disappointed in myself though. I bamboozled myself pretty hard but I can take solace that I will not be playing Yisan.
Edit: also bring on the warning mods. I skimmed through half the posts in the last 2 pages of this thread. Nothing hurts me anymore.
"You can definitely always predict emotions and intent from text"
This is obviously sarcasm but you prove my point. You CANT interpret emotion or intent. So then why be sarcastic? Being sarcastic in text is so easily seen as condescending precisely because you CANT interpret emotion and intent.
And you even further prove my point by talking about ceaseless hunger. It doesnt matter what his insight is it matter how you react to his advice whether its bad or not. Sarcasm CAN and WILL be interpreted as condescending. You can agree as much as you want with him but youre wrong. Sarcasm has no place here where no one knows you, your intent or your emotion. It WILL be seen as condescending and rightfully so. Whwn someone asks for advice your useless sarcastic comments arent needed and dont advance the conversation.
Um. You realize that I was being sarcastic right. Like... Sigh. Dude you just destroyed your own argument here. I really do not know what to say man. Here I am half snickering and half perplexed at what you've done to yourself. You have literally next lvled yourself. Congratulations.
Yes because you can definitely always predict emotions and intent from text. Try to imagine things from other people's perspective. Even if he is condescending; why insult him with such cheap words...
What case and point? He offered you a different perspective to interpret his words with and called you out on your insults. You can either agree with it or not but how do you conclude it to be "case and point". He specifically said people where he's from are sarcastic. It doesn't seem to matter if they knew each other or not. You really seem to not be able to grasp the concept that people are different from different places.
You have a long way to go on interpreting words and even longer way it seems with communicating your interpretations.
No hate on ceaselesshunger but it's not like ceaselesshunger provides great insight on this deck either.
It's fine that you're done talking about him but like he said and I am inclined to agree with him. This is more so about your reaction. It speaks volumes about you more than it says about him.
What case? This makes no sense. I don't understand this at all. You try to take the moral high ground by branding his sarcasm as condescending but he mentions the notion that you should try and consider your own foul reaction- you just go "got em." Is this some 6D chess I cannot understand? Sure the guy could have been more productive explaining why Yisan has no place in this deck but he makes a fair statement "communicating in sarcasm is just normal where he's from and he might not have been condescending." Nothing changes what you said though. You straight up insult him and try to shame him for something he might have done. What case have you proved other than you are immature and short-sighted. How the heck is Cirnu warned but you haven't received a worse punishment.
I can go on about how even asking about Yisan in this deck is just sad but I don't know- I feel just with what I've said- I'd be labeled the stompy thread douche- not that I haven't been already labeled that anyways.
I've been doing some testing with 2x Nykthos and 2x Garruk Wildspeaker. The idea is to keep the core concept of a super-aggressive strategy with a bit more of a mid game push. The idea is borrowed from the so-called "Mono Green Devotion" deck build, which goes all in on a ramp/midrange strategy. So far I think I like it, but it's too early to say.
Pretty sure I already stated my opinion on this and if not, others have already. Garruk Wildspeaker does nothing. No card advantage. Needs to minus to get a 3/3. Untap doesn't do much since this deck most likely has played all cards by then. The Overrun takes 2 turns to set up. It doesn't affect the board at all when it gets played. Coco or Nissa, Voice of Zendikar are just better.
Oath of Nissa doesn't get us anything specific and can't be utilize well enough and E wit has the same problem.
Edit: Sorry don't want to be condescending but Tuskers should go first based on card power level. If you for some reason play too many 3 drops then consider Baloth for your curve.
Edit: Sorry for showing up in the thread again. I was hoping there would be people who wanted to discuss making a better deck even if it means considering not going budget- as weird as that sounds to me. I understand people have different budgets but this is literally just for discussion online... I am all in for debating what is better but if this thread isn't ready for it - I'll be leaving too so you can have peace and quiet.
I just read the opening post and the basic deck list has 2 Horizon Canopys... What are you even talking about.. This is a needlessly expensive card that doesn't even add anything to the sub optimal list posted....
What matches what you think? The very words you have said? or the opening post because like I said, there is a difference between "hey this is a nice deck for a budget!" and "This deck historically likes to build on a budget and adding a $250 playset to enable a new card might rub a lot of this deck’s proponents the wrong way."
Here is something to consider: Words or Language are mere tools we use to communicate. Their meaning changes over time based on what's useful.
Sarcasm is a literary device to convey irony to mock people. That sounds right. But it is very commonly used for jovial humor by the same mechanism except with different intentions. You seem to be unable to define sarcasm in this context without the malicious contempt but it can and does exist without it. You are interpreting this definition of sarcasm- something you agreed you could not do. Sarcasm exists without the intent to express contempt. Is it possible for him to be jovial? Perhaps unlikely, but not impossible. He says this is how he communicates then you just kind of take it as is. And you can reference his previous post which perhaps was condescending but you are still interpreting this contempt.
We already agreed you cannot interpret emotions or intent from text. He could have been condescending or jovial. It really doesn't matter.
But EY YOOOOOO you actually "asked for opinions" on Yisan.
Also since you really love to google definitions.
"Secondly i never suggested Yisan. I asked for opinions on it. "
Suggest by definition is to put something forward for consideration.
It kind of sounds like you were asking our consideration or opinions on it. But I don't know anything about that.
Leaving this thread for a long while. I apologize to anyone actually trying to discuss this deck even though I don't think there's much to discuss right now. Have fun with your cardboard yall.
Infraction issued for flaming. --CavalryWolfPack
"You CANT interpret emotion or intent. So then why be sarcastic? Being sarcastic in text is so easily seen as condescending precisely because you CANT interpret emotion and intent."
You agree you cannot interpret anything but then you say it can be interpreted as condescending. Look! a contradiction that destroys your own argument. It seems to elude you that sarcasm and condescension has to be intended or interpreted. If you cannot find intent and it is not right to interpret his text as sarcastic/condescending how it "easily seen" that way.
"And you even further prove my point by talking about ceaseless hunger. It doesnt matter what his insight is it matter how you react to his advice whether its bad or not. Sarcasm CAN and WILL be interpreted as condescending. You can agree as much as you want with him but youre wrong. Sarcasm has no place here where no one knows you, your intent or your emotion. It WILL be seen as condescending and rightfully so. Whwn someone asks for advice your useless sarcastic comments arent needed and dont advance the conversation. "
So again you agree with the notion that you cannot interpret emotion or intent from text but then cite you will interpret it as condescending. Then you ramble some incoherent nonsense about how much more wrong you are. It's like you continue to say something but you don't understand you are contradicting yourself.
Also you really like to use the word literally so I kind of feel you are the type of person to watch Leafy videos on youtube which means you are probably 12. It makes sense that you cannot type coherent arguments I guess. Really. Sarcasm isn't the enemy. Perhaps it's not used well in this context but it offers some nice range in humor when used correctly. Do not fret young gun, you will cognitively develop the ability to interpret fine humor one day- maybe not. In the mean time, lay off those Leafy videos and don't play Yisan in this deck!
I am quite disappointed in myself though. I bamboozled myself pretty hard but I can take solace that I will not be playing Yisan.
Edit: also bring on the warning mods. I skimmed through half the posts in the last 2 pages of this thread. Nothing hurts me anymore.
Um. You realize that I was being sarcastic right. Like... Sigh. Dude you just destroyed your own argument here. I really do not know what to say man. Here I am half snickering and half perplexed at what you've done to yourself. You have literally next lvled yourself. Congratulations.
What case and point? He offered you a different perspective to interpret his words with and called you out on your insults. You can either agree with it or not but how do you conclude it to be "case and point". He specifically said people where he's from are sarcastic. It doesn't seem to matter if they knew each other or not. You really seem to not be able to grasp the concept that people are different from different places.
You have a long way to go on interpreting words and even longer way it seems with communicating your interpretations.
No hate on ceaselesshunger but it's not like ceaselesshunger provides great insight on this deck either.
It's fine that you're done talking about him but like he said and I am inclined to agree with him. This is more so about your reaction. It speaks volumes about you more than it says about him.
I can go on about how even asking about Yisan in this deck is just sad but I don't know- I feel just with what I've said- I'd be labeled the stompy thread douche- not that I haven't been already labeled that anyways.
Pretty sure I already stated my opinion on this and if not, others have already. Garruk Wildspeaker does nothing. No card advantage. Needs to minus to get a 3/3. Untap doesn't do much since this deck most likely has played all cards by then. The Overrun takes 2 turns to set up. It doesn't affect the board at all when it gets played. Coco or Nissa, Voice of Zendikar are just better.
Oath of Nissa doesn't get us anything specific and can't be utilize well enough and E wit has the same problem.