This was my attempt to shove the power of Puresteel Paladin into a basic Vial-Knights deck, with mixed results. There isn't much in the way of local Legacy tournies in my area, but people do have some Legacy decks built-up to sling around...for, I don't know, in case a tournament spontaneously breaks out?
The main problem I have is surviving the early rush...Zoo and RDW were giving me problems (RDW not so much after Leylines came in), as I took out a lot of removal for Puresteel Paladin/Metamorph. If anything, I was finding Phyrexian Metamorph to be too slow for me. I often never wanted to play it as an opposing creature (though it became a Dark Confidant more than anything else) because I had too much else going on in my hand. I'm finding Sword of Feast and Famine to be an absolute beast, especially with all the 'Goyfs/Confidants/Vindicates/Pulses around. I'll probably fine-tune my Equipment package in the upcoming days...I may actually give SoBM another look.
Sideboard was pretty Standard with what I have lying around. I (and many others) pretty much use the same deck and port it across formats, so I had Leyline of Sanctity for the RDW and MBC matchups, O-Ring for problematic permanents, and Misstep to combat other Vial/Misstep decks.
Wasteland was never really that relevant for me, either. I'd probably rather just have like 21x Plains and 1-2x Emeria, the Sky Ruin in the event that a game gets stretched out. I typically Vial out all my creatures and hardcast the Equipment, so it's not a strain on the mana, but it just became a target for opposing Wastelands, which was getting ridiculous.
Anyway, anxiously awaiting the chance to play in an actual tournament.
Nice to see some interest in knights again
I read your passage first before looking at the decklist, and was surprised to see only 3 Puresteel Paladin. Why not get a playset of it since your intention is to utilise him? If you were to utilise him i would rather maximise his ability. I also counted the equipment and saw 5. I would take out the Elspeth and add 2 more equipments really.
How about the Mox Diamond and Tithe Package, with a couple of Mox Opal? Mox Diamond is not a legendary artifact so you may play more of them. You can reduce maybe one or 2 lands afterwards to free up more space. Maybe i might go for 4 Knight of the White orchid to fully negate Mox Diamond drawbacks. Speed is of the essence here so casting an early Puresteel followed by SFM would be how i play the deck.
Against Zoo it is always going to be problematic since they pack at least 10 removals and we are a creature deck. Maybe the speed from the Moxes and CA from Tithe and Puresteel will put them under some form of pressure?
For sideboard, always play 4 Leyline as you want them to be in the opening hand.
I have a list here which i what i might play if i try the Puresteel hardware:
Even then with 7 equipments & 4 Puresteel seems likely to net me only an average of 1-2 additional cards per game.
Oh man, how could I forgot about Lashwrithe? I think i can do with one copy of Lashwrithe on top of the 2 Jitte i'm running. However that would mean taking out one more knight from the list.
The list is quite tight now, trying to play a reanimator & discard strategy at the same time.
Cover of Darkness is a good one, if i had an equipment toolbox via Enlightened Tutor it could do a mass evasion FTW! Otherwise i'm not keen to run as a singleton or two and dilute the deck further.
As you can see a standard maindeck, with the last addition of two metamorph and one cutted vindicate, which leads to a 61 cardlist.
The SB is divided in two categories: One free disruption which does not stop our early drops to go the offense route and the second which is combined with the SFM-toolbox.
Report:
Round 1 vs Maik (later he won the tournament) with Mono Red
He won the dice and started with 2 goblin guides followed by a metamorph. Crusader and jitte came to late.
Game two he started with searing blaze, chainlightning and a bolt to kill two of my confidants. Then a topdecked batterskull with lovely Elspeth killed him quickly.
Game three a could sword his figure and play a confidant. In the next few turns I managed it to get elspeth online and a exemplar. When I dropped the second exemplar and viales in a student, then pump first exemplar to attack him he stopped my turn. He said he wants to see everything slower. I did it and then pump my exemplar and goiing to deal the leather damage. Then he smiled and told me that the I can not attack with my exemplar cause it was played that turn. (THAT was his only goal when he wanted to hear everything again).
The right decission would have been to call the judge. I made a mistake and thought I could easy kill him a turn later and said ok my fault. In his turn he killed me with 9dmg of burn. 1-2
This are the players who should not play tournaments! They only try to cheat which maybe is an amazing feeling for them, but in the end other players will quit playing vs such bad people. Bad luck that such a *** won the tournament in the end. First I thought about dropping here. It was not fun at all...
Round two vs Raphael with UB (Midrage)
First game I killed him very fast with confi/vial and stoneforge;) Ok better with batterskull... but he was screwed.
Ame two and three we had confibattles which both were ended quickly by his KNIGHTS!!! Yes, he killed me two times with his phyrexian crusaders! A nightmare with this deck! No removal can kill them. I was able to stop one of them for two turns with my metamorph, but then he found his repeal:(
1-2
Round three vs Stefan with Maverick
A friend of mine.... we played 5 games in the game time and ended 4-1. 2-0 for the tournament record. Very bad matchup. He was able to get stoneforge, batterskull two times online and kill me with it. In game two I overextended with two confidants at the same time. When I played fish that was no problem, but in knights its suicide!
Never found a stoneforge nor a metamorph...
0-3 drop
+
Metamorph
Confidant
Stoneforge
-
Cheater Tournamentwinner! go to hell!!!
opposing Knights;)
no luck
really hard luck. sorry you had a hard time.
I have added in deck tags for you.
Going off with 2 goblin guides followed by a metamorph i dont think many decks stand much of a chance. You were always on damage limitation mode and a few burn away from losing the same game.
However you should have won the first match by winning the third game, the guy was very unsporting here. Did you mean to say you pump the wrong exemplar(the one tat just came into play)? I don't blame you as you were just careless. If he didnt pull off the "play too fast please rewind" you might have done it correctly. Frankly speaking if i was the opponent i would had scooped by then. Unfortunately winning matters and this pple really kills the fun of the game.
For the second match against Phyrexian crusader, i guess you can't do much against him, that creature is a sure win against some matchups not only exclusively to us.
3rd match i guess your opponent had a god hand, SFM with batterskull is nuts...would Leonin relic-warder helped if you had him? If you have the chance try to test him. I have played both vindicate and him and prefer Leonin.
your meta doesnt have misstep? at the moment i'm unable to join my LGS monthly tournaments becoz of family commitments but my meta has many pple playing a very nasty Mental mistep/spell snare/JTMS which owns creatures deck easily.
From your tournament report it seems Batterskull is a good performer here. Can you give me your review on the card? I added it into my primer but i simply don't know how it fare as an alternative equipment to Jitte and Swords.
Phyrexian Crusader is rather lousy with non-infect creatures. Which is too bad since a non-infect knight with protection from red and white would have been really awesome.
I would max out Stromgald Crusader long before maxing out Knight of Dusk and/or Stromgald Knight.
Unholy Grotto is sexy tech to protect Haakon or Nameless Inversion from gy hate. While not a knight, Carrion Feeder can protect Haakon from StP or PtE and is a decent 1 drop.
Cabal Therapy is amazing in mono black knights.dek. Therapy has great synergy with Duress and isn't hard to flashback in a deck with recurring creatures.
Yeah, if Phyrexian Crusader didnt have infect he would be very strong in the knight deck, that said, i'm still keen to try him out as his protections are very relevant.
I'll take your advice and use Stromgald Crusader instead, i think the evasion part is really useful here. He may die easily but as long as Haakon comes onboard he can die a few more times for all I care.
Both Haakon & Carrion Feeder can be recurred by Unholy Grotto, my only headache will be to discard Haakon again via my own discard spells but it beats losing him forever to graveyard hate. And Carrion Feeder really has synergy with the deck. Anyway i might go with 4x Cabal Therapy & 4x Duress.
New decklist below with more discard and Carrion Feeder:
Below is my budget list...which uses mostly cheap and affordable goblins. No single card here cost more than $5 each. In fact no playset cost more than $10 here.
Anyway i think you probably need to add a set of lightning blot into your decklist and it is good to go....
for protection from green, what about sword of feast and famine ?
I cant seem to find space for more swords, but i'll have removal spells to deal with green creature threats. Haakon and recuring knights can also help to stall against big green creatures.
The problem with mono-b knights is that they lack synergy. There really is no black knight lord, and black nights really don't have any supportive abilities (Besides the legend). Like you pointed out, they are for the most part higher on the mana curve than other tribes, which more-or-less precludes too much aggro. Furthermore, most of them are just color hate against white, so you will be much stronger against a white deck, but severely disadvantaged against a blue/red deck, and decks like that usually aren't fun to run in casual play due to the rock-paper-scissors-type situations that result.
I think you could make a significantly better BW Knights deck, or perhaps even some sort of knight-based reanimator theme centered on Hakkon, Stromgald Scourge. I just don't think mono black knights as a tribe in and of themselves has the synergy and power to compete with other tribes.
Yes, i agree with almost everything you are saying here.
Basically i have exhausted all the different combinations W could possibly have(if you happen to see my signature on the legacy knights primer). Black as a mono-color is also very weak against artifact/enchantments.
Anyway against blue/red the deck isnt so bad.
Let me explain:
Against W=no brainer.
Against R= Phyrexian Crusader and recuring knights via Haakon, he can burn all day and i can cast my creatures again. If he choose to burn the player he can do it against any deck so being mono-black knight is imaterial.
Against U= Once i resolve a Haakon in the graveyard his counterspells are redundant.
Against B= 4x Stillmoon
Against G= No protection
The deck can win attrition wars against other tribes. Buried alive is my CA(condition is if Haakon resolves)
Unfortunately although what you say about mono-black knights is correct, i'm not sure if it's as bad as you make it out to be;)
I have been playing Legacy and Standard knights extensively for the past year and have tried all the different variants i could. All the knight variants i have played so far have always been associated with white and now i'm keen to try something totally different.
Moving away from knights's traditional color of W, i wanted to try a Mono-black knights list since black is the next color with most knights creature archtype.
However it is proving to be a challenge for me as many of the better black knights are high in casting cost. The 2cc are generally crappy and worse of all there is no 1 drop knight for black! Unfortunately i'm also not very familiar with black spells and i also do not have most of the black staple legacy cards (my collections are all mostly white-based cards).
Since black does not have 1-drop knights i'll go for some cheap discard spells to ensure i have an opening play other than Aether Vial.
To be frank i'm quite clueless about how the deck will pant out so please feel free to help in making it better. I do have budget constraints(not keen to splash money on Black staples) although i wish it can be competitive against a Tier 2 Legacy deck.
Goblins are always an feasible option if you are looking for a budget yet competitive deck to built.
I sold my Tier One Goblins deck with the Lackeys,Piledriver etc after the deck seems to be completely shut down by my heavily mental mistep meta. Can't really believe the fun of playing goblins was completely taken out by Mistep. I wasn't that keen to play Mistep to counter Mistep so i got rid of the whole deck.
Thereafter i found myself still left with a bunch of goblins, and while missing them a little here i decided to form a new goblins deck with what i have plus getting some of the cheap staples. Subsequently, i went out to buy playsets of Gemplam, Matron and Ringleader for a few dollars and here we have this deck:
Werebear is pretty garbage if your not gonna play Skullclamp, lose it. Your deck as currently constructed is never gonna hit threshold early and you need to be dependent on the Muraganda Petroglyphs, plus you need room for draw, removal, and Door of Destinies. Also Striped Bears is beyond horrible as it's draw a card ETB effect counts as an ability so it doesn't get turned on by the Muraganda Petroglyphs.
Seal of Primordium should be lost as Beast Within is so much incredibly better and a 3/3 will be nothing at all for you to deal with.
You need draw, Harmonize and Sylvan Library will take care of this and you will need to add fetch lands so that you have lots of shuffling effects to improve your card draw via the Sylvan Library.
If you want your deck too be strong like the guy I played against on Magic Workstation this is the deck I recommend making:
Thanks for pulling out the decklist. It does look reasonably strong. However I also notice there are many 4cc in the decks. It seems Garruk, Library & Fetches are key to the deck. The deck is also not playing Words of Wilding for CA but Harmonize.
I'll also include Beast Within as my deck really need removal. However i'm not sold on Steely Resolve yet, as i'm worried about having too many enchantments and no creatures.
I wasn't espousing Skullclamp at all. I think it's a lame card which takes no skill to use.
You have 8 common fetchlands to use if you can get your hands on some Libraries. If keeping creatures on the table isn't a problem for you, also consider Slate of Ancestry.
During playtest, I don't think i can have enough creatures in play to use Slate of Ancestry effectively but thanks for recommending.
I know this is casual but since Skullclamp is banned it's out of the picture for me.
Fetchlands is really useful..not bad i don't have enough copies to go around all the decks.
I'll remove Bearscape although it fits the theme perfectly. And i feel almost 20 enchantments is too much and 14 forest is too little. Especially in a deck wih so many 4cc spells.
After playtesting, i found out that Words of Wilding is quite useless on its own, i'll need to pair it with Sylvan Library of Harmonize in order to be effective. I think Sylvan Library is better here but i have trouble getting it at the moment.
@Aereas
Call me stubborn or whatever, i know Skullcramp is good but i have valid reasons for not playing it. Although this is casual but putting myself in opponents shoes they are not keen to see banned cards and the same goes for me.
@rchrhds
I hate to admit it, but you are absolutely right here. It is practically just a Muraganda Petroglyphs deck. I'm not a good pilot for bear deck but in this case the deck is so bad i didn't even had the opportunity to wish for a topdeck to save the day. I have lost games even with Muraganda Petroglyphs on song. I wish i could say i met the wrong matchups but it is inexcusable to lose to fellow creature decks easily.
The deck definitely needs a CA to work with words of wilding. I cant afford more fetchlands at the moment though.
Nice to see some interest in knights again
I read your passage first before looking at the decklist, and was surprised to see only 3 Puresteel Paladin. Why not get a playset of it since your intention is to utilise him? If you were to utilise him i would rather maximise his ability. I also counted the equipment and saw 5. I would take out the Elspeth and add 2 more equipments really.
How about the Mox Diamond and Tithe Package, with a couple of Mox Opal? Mox Diamond is not a legendary artifact so you may play more of them. You can reduce maybe one or 2 lands afterwards to free up more space. Maybe i might go for 4 Knight of the White orchid to fully negate Mox Diamond drawbacks. Speed is of the essence here so casting an early Puresteel followed by SFM would be how i play the deck.
Against Zoo it is always going to be problematic since they pack at least 10 removals and we are a creature deck. Maybe the speed from the Moxes and CA from Tithe and Puresteel will put them under some form of pressure?
For sideboard, always play 4 Leyline as you want them to be in the opening hand.
I have a list here which i what i might play if i try the Puresteel hardware:
Even then with 7 equipments & 4 Puresteel seems likely to net me only an average of 1-2 additional cards per game.
4x Ancient Den
4x Wasteland
12x Plains
Artifacts (8):
4x Aether Vial
4x Mox Diamond
Equipments (7)
1x Umezawa's Jitte
1x Sword of Fire and Ice
1x Sword of Light and Shadow
1x Sword of Feast and Famine
1x Sword of Body and Mine
1x Batterskull
1x Neurok Hoversail
4x Swords to Plowshares
4x Tithe
Creatures (18):
3x Mother of Runes
4x Stoneforge Mystic
4x Puresteel Paladin
3x Knight Exemplar
4x Mirran Crusader
4x Relic of Progenitus
4x Mental Misstep
3x Oblivion Ring
4x Leyline of Sanctity
The list is quite tight now, trying to play a reanimator & discard strategy at the same time.
Cover of Darkness is a good one, if i had an equipment toolbox via Enlightened Tutor it could do a mass evasion FTW! Otherwise i'm not keen to run as a singleton or two and dilute the deck further.
really hard luck. sorry you had a hard time.
I have added in deck tags for you.
Going off with 2 goblin guides followed by a metamorph i dont think many decks stand much of a chance. You were always on damage limitation mode and a few burn away from losing the same game.
However you should have won the first match by winning the third game, the guy was very unsporting here. Did you mean to say you pump the wrong exemplar(the one tat just came into play)? I don't blame you as you were just careless. If he didnt pull off the "play too fast please rewind" you might have done it correctly. Frankly speaking if i was the opponent i would had scooped by then. Unfortunately winning matters and this pple really kills the fun of the game.
For the second match against Phyrexian crusader, i guess you can't do much against him, that creature is a sure win against some matchups not only exclusively to us.
3rd match i guess your opponent had a god hand, SFM with batterskull is nuts...would Leonin relic-warder helped if you had him? If you have the chance try to test him. I have played both vindicate and him and prefer Leonin.
your meta doesnt have misstep? at the moment i'm unable to join my LGS monthly tournaments becoz of family commitments but my meta has many pple playing a very nasty Mental mistep/spell snare/JTMS which owns creatures deck easily.
From your tournament report it seems Batterskull is a good performer here. Can you give me your review on the card? I added it into my primer but i simply don't know how it fare as an alternative equipment to Jitte and Swords.
By the way I finally went out and brought a playset of Phyrexian Metamorph.
Anyone else interested to comment on this thread? No one else keen on knights at the moment?
Yeah, if Phyrexian Crusader didnt have infect he would be very strong in the knight deck, that said, i'm still keen to try him out as his protections are very relevant.
I'll take your advice and use Stromgald Crusader instead, i think the evasion part is really useful here. He may die easily but as long as Haakon comes onboard he can die a few more times for all I care.
Both Haakon & Carrion Feeder can be recurred by Unholy Grotto, my only headache will be to discard Haakon again via my own discard spells but it beats losing him forever to graveyard hate. And Carrion Feeder really has synergy with the deck. Anyway i might go with 4x Cabal Therapy & 4x Duress.
New decklist below with more discard and Carrion Feeder:
4 Black Knight
3 Carrion Feeder
2 Haakon, Stromgald Scourge
4 Phyrexian Crusader
4 Stillmoon Cavalier
3 Stromgald Crusader
2 Buried Alive
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Duress
3 Entomb
4 Go for the throat
1 Nameless Inversion
18 Swamp
4 Unholy Grotto
Anyway i think you probably need to add a set of lightning blot into your decklist and it is good to go....
4 Gempalm Incinerator
4 Goblin Chieftain
1 Goblin Lookout
3 Goblin Matron
4 Goblin Ringleader
4 Goblin Sledder
4 Goblin Warchief
4 Mad Auntie
4 Mogg War Marshal
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Warren Weirding
Lands [20]
4 Auntie's Hovel
12 Mountain
4 Swamp
My bad, played too much W knights until i got confused. Edited the post to the correct crusader.
I cant seem to find space for more swords, but i'll have removal spells to deal with green creature threats. Haakon and recuring knights can also help to stall against big green creatures.
Yes, i agree with almost everything you are saying here.
Basically i have exhausted all the different combinations W could possibly have(if you happen to see my signature on the legacy knights primer). Black as a mono-color is also very weak against artifact/enchantments.
Anyway against blue/red the deck isnt so bad.
Let me explain:
Against W=no brainer.
Against R= Phyrexian Crusader and recuring knights via Haakon, he can burn all day and i can cast my creatures again. If he choose to burn the player he can do it against any deck so being mono-black knight is imaterial.
Against U= Once i resolve a Haakon in the graveyard his counterspells are redundant.
Against B= 4x Stillmoon
Against G= No protection
The deck can win attrition wars against other tribes. Buried alive is my CA(condition is if Haakon resolves)
Unfortunately although what you say about mono-black knights is correct, i'm not sure if it's as bad as you make it out to be;)
I have been playing Legacy and Standard knights extensively for the past year and have tried all the different variants i could. All the knight variants i have played so far have always been associated with white and now i'm keen to try something totally different.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=322579
Moving away from knights's traditional color of W, i wanted to try a Mono-black knights list since black is the next color with most knights creature archtype.
However it is proving to be a challenge for me as many of the better black knights are high in casting cost. The 2cc are generally crappy and worse of all there is no 1 drop knight for black! Unfortunately i'm also not very familiar with black spells and i also do not have most of the black staple legacy cards (my collections are all mostly white-based cards).
Since black does not have 1-drop knights i'll go for some cheap discard spells to ensure i have an opening play other than Aether Vial.
To be frank i'm quite clueless about how the deck will pant out so please feel free to help in making it better. I do have budget constraints(not keen to splash money on Black staples) although i wish it can be competitive against a Tier 2 Legacy deck.2.1 Return of Darth Knights (Original Version)
4 Black Knight
2 Haakon, Stromgald Scourge
1 Knight of Dusk
2 Knight of Stromgald
4 Phyrexian Crusader
4 Stillmoon Cavalier
2 Stromgald Crusader
2 Buried Alive
4 Duress
3 Entomb
4 Go for the throat
2 Nameless Inversion
2 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Liliana Vess
Lands [22]
22 Swamp
2.2 Return of Darth Knights (Second Edition)
4 Black Knight
3 Carrion Feeder
2 Haakon, Stromgald Scourge
4 Phyrexian Crusader
4 Stillmoon Cavalier
3 Stromgald Crusader
2 Buried Alive
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Duress
3 Entomb
4 Go for the throat
1 Nameless Inversion
18 Swamp
4 Unholy Grotto
2.3 Return of Darth Knights (3rd Edition)
Reasons for playing Mono-Black Legacy knights:
Basically the concept of the deck is hand devastation follow by Haakon & recurring Knights Kill.
4 Black Knight
3 Haakon, Stromgald Scourge
2 Knight of Stromgald
2 Order of Ebon Hand
4 Phyrexian Crusader
2 Stromgald Crusader
2 Buried Alive
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Go for the throat
3 Nameless Inversion
4 Shadow of doubt
3 Liliana of the Veil
Lands [22]
2 Marsh Flats
2 Verdant Catacombs
14 Swamp
4 Wasteland
2.4 Return of Darth Knights (4th Edition)
4 Black Knight
3 Haakon, Stromgald Scourge
2 Knight of Stromgald
2 Order of Ebon Hand
3 Phyrexian Crusader
1 Stillmoon Cavalier
2 Stromgald Crusader
2 Buried Alive
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Go for the throat
3 Nameless Inversion
4 Sinkhole
3 Liliana of the Veil
Lands [22]
18 Swamp
4 Wasteland
Matchups:
UGR Threshold W-L 35%-65%
Zoo W-L 70%-30%
Bant W-L 80%-20%
2.5 Return of Darth Knights (5th Edition)
Changes Made:
4 Gravecrawler
3 Black Knight
3 Haakon, Stromgald Scourge
3 Phyrexian Crusader
1 Stillmoon Cavalier
3 Stromgald Crusader
2 Buried Alive
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Darkblast
1 Go for the throat
2 Nameless Inversion
4 Sinkhole
3 Liliana of the Veil
Lands [22]
18 Swamp
4 Wasteland
Thanks for changing the banner, can i request for additional changes?
"lose the Haakon's background, and blend Haakon's into Black Knight's background, can have Black Knight's horse covered if it looks better that way "
"retain Knight Exemplar horse/shield in the picture, you can have White Knight's horse covered if it looks better that way.
The background will be half Black knight & half from Knight Exemplar or White Knight, depicting the 50% dark side and 50% light side.
Withdrawing request, thanks for the earlier banner!
If i add Terminate what do you suggest i should remove? I do not want to take out Warren Weirding because it has synergy with Goblin Ringleader and my own goblins.
2 Draining Whelk
4 Krovikan Mist
4 Lord of the Unreal
3 Mistform Warchief
3 Phantasmal Dragon
4 Phantasmal Image
2 Somnophore
4 Ancestral Vision
4 Counterspell
4 Mental Misstep
4 Spell Snare
3 Unsummon
20 Island
Goblins are always an feasible option if you are looking for a budget yet competitive deck to built.
I sold my Tier One Goblins deck with the Lackeys,Piledriver etc after the deck seems to be completely shut down by my heavily mental mistep meta. Can't really believe the fun of playing goblins was completely taken out by Mistep. I wasn't that keen to play Mistep to counter Mistep so i got rid of the whole deck.
Thereafter i found myself still left with a bunch of goblins, and while missing them a little here i decided to form a new goblins deck with what i have plus getting some of the cheap staples. Subsequently, i went out to buy playsets of Gemplam, Matron and Ringleader for a few dollars and here we have this deck:
4 Gempalm Incinerator
4 Goblin Chieftain
1 Goblin Lookout
3 Goblin Matron
4 Goblin Ringleader
4 Goblin Sledder
4 Goblin Warchief
4 Mad Auntie
4 Mogg War Marshal
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Warren Weirding
Lands [20]
4 Auntie's Hovel
12 Mountain
4 Swamp
What do you guys think?
At the moment we have 12 creatures removal cards, but none on artifact & enchantments (problem faced by BRfrequently).
The deck is not affected by Mental Misstep anymore.
At the moment the most expensive card in this list is Goblin Warchief, any recommendations cannot be more expensive than it.
Thanks for pulling out the decklist. It does look reasonably strong. However I also notice there are many 4cc in the decks. It seems Garruk, Library & Fetches are key to the deck. The deck is also not playing Words of Wilding for CA but Harmonize.
I'll also include Beast Within as my deck really need removal. However i'm not sold on Steely Resolve yet, as i'm worried about having too many enchantments and no creatures.
During playtest, I don't think i can have enough creatures in play to use Slate of Ancestry effectively but thanks for recommending.
I know this is casual but since Skullclamp is banned it's out of the picture for me.
Fetchlands is really useful..not bad i don't have enough copies to go around all the decks.
For me:
I'll remove Bearscape although it fits the theme perfectly. And i feel almost 20 enchantments is too much and 14 forest is too little. Especially in a deck wih so many 4cc spells.
I think you are doing a commendable job at the moment writing up the soldiers primer.
I'm always appreciative of people starting such a thread as it is really useful for us who wants to form a Tribal deck quickly.
Hopefully we can have a sticky primer on this when you enhance it further. Cheers!
@Aereas
Call me stubborn or whatever, i know Skullcramp is good but i have valid reasons for not playing it. Although this is casual but putting myself in opponents shoes they are not keen to see banned cards and the same goes for me.
@rchrhds
I hate to admit it, but you are absolutely right here. It is practically just a Muraganda Petroglyphs deck. I'm not a good pilot for bear deck but in this case the deck is so bad i didn't even had the opportunity to wish for a topdeck to save the day. I have lost games even with Muraganda Petroglyphs on song. I wish i could say i met the wrong matchups but it is inexcusable to lose to fellow creature decks easily.
The deck definitely needs a CA to work with words of wilding. I cant afford more fetchlands at the moment though.