Quote from BlackWaltz3 »I can tell you worked really hard on this and I love that this is based upon experience--even if a limited sample--and not speculation! LOL at "Stay Awhile and Listen!"
Sad to hear Oketra was too slow...
I think I'll still take the flexibility (and instant speed) of Cyclonic Rift over Callous Dismissal, but neither one is seems bound for the long-term in cube.
I agree that Kefnet's value is in the body paired with evasion. The ability is gravy. Sometimes a very delicious gravy.
What do you think on Liliana, Dreadhorde General vs. Liliana, Death's Majesty? I'd hate to cut reanimator support, but reanimator should be going off earlier than turn 5 anyway ideally....
Nice to see Bontu tested well. I'm more excited about that now.
I expected Finale of Eternity would be more of an anti-aggro sweeper and I don't think I want to replace a slot in black to hose aggro.
Dreadhorde Arcanist is a card I want to pick up and put immediately in my on-deck binder. It has potential, but isn't there for me yet.
Arcanist needs the same thing Krenko needs. A reliable boost in power. At least Krenko can generate that boost himself. I think Krenko is an all-star and decks that fail to remove him within a turn are going to get punished hard. Tying the number of tokens to his power with a floor of 2 tokens is incredibly good. The magical christmasland damage/turn calculations don't adequately tell the story of these kinds of cards. I think this may actually be the best of them, even more than Goblin Rabblemaster (you heard it here first!).
Where would you say Paradise Druid fits in in terms of cube size?
Ugin's Conjurant is notably worse than the phantoms (e.g Phantom Centaur). Conjurant removes "that many +1/+1 counters" not just a +1/+1 counter. If Conjurant had the Phantom ability I may test it as Endless One with the Phantom ability is actually really good I think, but this iteration is garbage.
Lots of thoughts here...but there was a lot to respond to. Thanks again for the great writeup.
Quote from noshadowkick »Thanks for sharing this, it was a great read. You've given me a lot of food for thought as some of the cards you really seemed to like are cards I was initially interested in, but decided against (namely Commence the Endgame and Dreadhorde Invasion).
Quote from skecr8r »Very nice article, thank you!
Quote from JinxedIdol »Great review! I love the data you presented, both decklists, and some of the math. It was lengthy but worth reading.
I’m (sort of) glad to hear my thoughts on Kefnet is correct. Miracles are too rare to be useful there.
Your evaluation of the red cards are interesting. I was skeptical of Dreadhorde Anarchist, Mizzium Tank, but I may give them a try. (The Tank may end up in my artifact cube) Ilharg, however feels very slow in terms of its trigger and its recursion. I think it is correct not to see it as a Sneak Attack to cheat creatures. Perhaps the power of this card is repeatable ETB effects.
Thanks for the good read.
Quote from FuneralofGod »Why assume that the Canopy cycle, if ever finished, would result in each color pair drawing a card when sacrificed? What if the cycle had different functions when sacrificed?
Quote from Merlin4343 »I would think with the guys that make tokens on attack this is just the nuts. I mean it plays so well on curve with Hero and Leonin and any of the Red generators (Garrison etc..). It is also good with hangerback. I looked at my cube to see how many token generators I had and it was pretty nuts. I mean this and attack with baldehold is 10 in the air right?
Quote from allred123 »Call me crazy, but I think I might want to leave in Abrupt decay and take out maelstrom pulse? Pulse is good, but in all honesty the remove all creatures with the same name just doesn't come up very often in cube for us. Plus hitting lands where as pulse can't is also an upside.
Quote from dschumm »I assume he vies it as being a 4-7 mana 12/12 that you would cast during your combat phase as a token deck. I don't think it is that attractive but Ido like the sneak attack/tinker options
Quote from Blue_Oneironaut »I like it.
I wonder if some token decks would want to play it themselves?