That's fine. I was just tired of Artifice taking everything I said the wrong way, so I figured I'd pre-empt it with "this is my explanation so I don't have to be arsed coming up with a response post to you in the event that you decide to completely overanalyze it and make some more baseless allegations of me being scum just because I said something you wanted to take the wrong way."
Sorry that was a bit wordy. I don't really have much else to say about what's going on right now, I've been waiting for Prplcheez to post more (I saw him reading the thread yesterday yet he did not post) so I can analyze more of what he says. So unless something is directed at me or someone says something I feel needs to be addressed, I'm just waiting right now.
I read a lot of what you were doing as aligning a little too closely with Manders' game plan. I thought you were newb scum sheeping/parroting, but I wasn't sure. Your subtlety level has yet to be determined For now, as stated I have you leaning town.
I don't think I'm being very subtle at all, with the beginning to declaring my gender, race, and alignment in post #87.
You started to think for yourself. And quoting Seppel seemed genuine frustrated townie.
I just couldn't help but notice that you suddenly flipped your alignment suspicion for me as soon as I said you're likely to be town. That being said, was there ever a point where I wasn't thinking for myself?
It was more a reflection of my philosophy on the game. But I like your reaction.
Just curious, what was it that suddenly flipped me from scum to town in your mind?
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I consider it a waste of practical game resources to lynch someone like Yanni if I am not 100% sure he's scum. I would rather ignore his rants, and "bad state of mind" as he puts it and find the actually participating player who looks like scum and lynch them than waste a Day policy lynching a player just to simplify things. Taking out the "low hanging fruit" is what scum usually try to do in the game, while at night they usually take out either a very strong player OR a player that will create a ton of ways for them to profit the next day. I personally hate policy lynches, prefering social controls such as telling the player to chill out.
Problem is, while I agree that it shouldn't have to happen, players aren't going to be able to ignore it as easily as we would like them to be able to. Which I feel will be detrimental to the overall effectiveness of the town, unfortunately.
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Also, to be completely realistic, the easiest way for me to make this game more manageable is to quit playing it. I would rather not have to do that.
I think the easiest way to manage a game for ANYONE is to not play it. ;p
In a Basic, virtually unheard of if my understanding is correct. I sincerely hope this doesn't mean you know the scum have daychat because you have daychat with them?
Like I said, I've never been scum on this forum, so I really wouldn't know.
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I kinda knew Immitation is the highest form of flattery.
Well I do look up to my older brother. ;P
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Agreed. Shrink their numbers while maintaining our own.
Unnecessary townie brownie. -1 town point.
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Reasonable. I wish Yanni could understand this. And the suck part of this is I'm against policy lynches. Manders knows it, Yanni knows it. Puts me in a very difficult position.
Regardless of whether or not Yanni is scum, killing him will make this game a lot more manageable, and I think you agree with me on that matter.
I asked Sepiriel why his gut reaction on Ormagoden was scum. *Had to scroll back a few pages to remember*
But I got in a tiff with Arty and the question went unanswered because Arty deflected the heat off of Sepiriel when I asked. Hmm...
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"Oops. He should have played better."
I thought that might be your reaction. At this point, I'm more concerned with narrowing down who could possibly be scum, as the others should be easy to drop afterwards, so know that IGMEOY, Manders.
I feel like this has now become a game of "he said, she said". Until Nikomaru, Sepiriel, and Zebi post some more (and my question about why Ormagoden being accused as seeming scummy gets answered), I feel like we can't make much more progress in this day short of lynching somebody.
Well, Ormagoden, it's really up to everyone else at this point. I'm curious to see who's going to die tonight, because that may or may not help validate things.
Are you saying that Yanni is the correct lynch regardless of wether he is town or not? If he's scum...well we got scum yay! If he's town, we got rid of a spamy player... and are down to 7 town vs. 3 mafia (No doctors in this game remember...although maybe vig, but 7 to 3 is a good guess). I mean yes he has tunnel visions and yes he has been rude (so has Manders honestly) but that isn't a reason to get rid of him if you think Zebi is scum, since you're only sure about Yanni 50-50.
Already explained this, yes, I feel Yanni is the right vote for the reasons I mentioned, and I did say I wanted to hear what Zebi said about what I had to say before I jumped on him.
Currently in one other Mafia game, Seppel's Iji Mafia basic.
As for my favorite Mafia memory, I was scum and my lover was town, so we convinced one of the two remaining townies to vote for the other one and we voted for them as well. They expected town to win, so when the next night came on, they were very confused...it was pretty funny. Needless to say, I won that one.
I have no idea. That's one of those things that are moderator preference.
So why do you think they do? Cause you seem pretty sure.
I'll answer that once Iso responds.
As I said to Ormagoden, I've never played as scum on this forum before and I've seen a few scum chat logs from other games, so I assumed that scum daytalk was the norm.
You've got the destription right, but the label wrong, I think. This is the same flailtastic, uninformed BS he does when he's town. It is ALSO the "meta behavior of town" he put on in Smiles when prompted by Tanarin. I'm not sure about it, but given that I believe you Manders are scum, I have to believe he's just being spastic town as usual. So sick of defending this.
Maybe that's what he wants you to think. o:
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I as well want to know why you think scum have daychat? @The more experienced players: Is this possible in a Basic? Is it likely?
I could read this SO many ways. I hate WIFOM.
I haven't played a game on this forum as scum, and I've seen a few scum chat logs, so I assumed that meant that all scum had daychat. But, based on reactions, I'm guessing that it's not a given that scum have daychat?
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Look, I've seen why I think to be coaching. I'm realizing I have to regard this as null, but for reference, you two are making it hard not to think this with your interactions. Your comment about me "having an off switch" sounds like a Seppel frustrated town quote, and as you two are buddies IRL, I'll give you SOME slack. Just pay attention to hwo much Manders IS buddying up to you. Helpfull is one thing, in her back pocket is another.
I want to break this paragraph down line by line, but nah. Its a lot of WIFOM, and again null buddying because you guys aren't checking your IRL associations at the Mafia thread door.
My off switch comment was a joking reference to Seppel's quote. I'm paying very much attention to the way Manders is being, and if I weren't, I wouldn't consider the possibility at all that she could be scum.
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Ok, ass covering is a scum tell, but you say it OUT LOUD. You, sir, are an interesting player. At least you've accepted the idea that Manders MIGHT be scum. (distancing? WIFOM @ myself) *sigh* I'm moving you to the "frustrated leaning town" pile.
I like to bring my own style into games. And if I were town, why wouldn't I cover my ass, either way? The more town, the better chance we have of killing off all of the scum.
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I like this.
I'm persistent, not stupid. Reasonable list.
Fair enough~ I'm glad my list seems viable, it's what makes sense to me.
The fact that when I do get lynched, you'll be able to see who was scum and who wasn't.
It's called "greater good" me getting lynched is good for the town in the long run.
WIFOM, dude. That's like me saying, "If I get lynched and I'm town, Manders is also town just because she agreed with me." Which isn't necessarily true at all.
Umm... from my view Manders and Yanni can't both be scum. The vitrol contained in their posts towards one each other dont feel like two scum play acting a fight. As such when you say you're 50/50 on Mander's that means you should only be 50/50 on Yanni as well, in which case wouldn't you voting for Zebi be a more solid vote. That is of course unless you are considering the possibility that Manders and Yanni are both scum in which case what evidence do you have that they are a scum team?
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let me break it down -->
As a group manders and yanni could be:
T/T
T/M
M/T
M/M
respectively. Personally i rulled out the M/M interaction because they seem to be really going at it beyond what mafia teams ussually do. So we are left with T/T, T/M and M/T. Which means either one of them is mafia or the other is town. or Both are town.
If you are 50/50 on either of them thinking they are mafia, then you are 50/50 on the other, which makes your vote kinda vauge and pointless, since that would mean that BOTH would have an equal chance to be scum OR town. With such a weak vote I was wondering why ISO didn't go with his more strongely held belief that Zebi is scum.
The only reason then that ISO is not voting Zebi is because(!) he is considering the posibility of a manders/yanni scum team. Which while i don't believe i'm currious to see if he actually thinks so, and if so what evidence he holds to give backing to that belief.
No, that makes perfect sense, and I understand completely. I'm not willing to rule out completely that both Yanni and Manders are scum, but I agree that their tiff seems genuine. However, once Yanni is dead, maybe my headache will subside, and I'm more inclined to vote for him, anyway, considering he JUMPED INTO THE GAME, GUNS BLAZING. Yanni seems to be a belligerent player, and later on in the game, if he IS still alive and town, I'd rather not have more blind accusations being thrown around, as if it gets down to it, the scum could overtake the game easily that way (more easily if Yanni is town). Does that make sense to you? I figure that enough people are suspicious of Zebi already that if it comes to a consensus that he's scum, it won't be too hard to get him lynched. Also, I'm curious to see what he has to say about all of this going on now between Manders, Yanni, Arty, and myself.
That being said, in light of his recent posts, I'm gonna peg PinkFloyd as town.
That's fine. I was just tired of Artifice taking everything I said the wrong way, so I figured I'd pre-empt it with "this is my explanation so I don't have to be arsed coming up with a response post to you in the event that you decide to completely overanalyze it and make some more baseless allegations of me being scum just because I said something you wanted to take the wrong way."
Sorry that was a bit wordy. I don't really have much else to say about what's going on right now, I've been waiting for Prplcheez to post more (I saw him reading the thread yesterday yet he did not post) so I can analyze more of what he says. So unless something is directed at me or someone says something I feel needs to be addressed, I'm just waiting right now.
I don't think I'm being very subtle at all, with the beginning to declaring my gender, race, and alignment in post #87.
I just couldn't help but notice that you suddenly flipped your alignment suspicion for me as soon as I said you're likely to be town. That being said, was there ever a point where I wasn't thinking for myself?
Yuuup.
Just curious, what was it that suddenly flipped me from scum to town in your mind?
Problem is, while I agree that it shouldn't have to happen, players aren't going to be able to ignore it as easily as we would like them to be able to. Which I feel will be detrimental to the overall effectiveness of the town, unfortunately.
I think the easiest way to manage a game for ANYONE is to not play it. ;p
Like I said, I've never been scum on this forum, so I really wouldn't know.
Well I do look up to my older brother. ;P
Unnecessary townie brownie. -1 town point.
Regardless of whether or not Yanni is scum, killing him will make this game a lot more manageable, and I think you agree with me on that matter.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=6992230&postcount=271
This post.
I asked Sepiriel why his gut reaction on Ormagoden was scum. *Had to scroll back a few pages to remember*
But I got in a tiff with Arty and the question went unanswered because Arty deflected the heat off of Sepiriel when I asked. Hmm...
I thought that might be your reaction. At this point, I'm more concerned with narrowing down who could possibly be scum, as the others should be easy to drop afterwards, so know that IGMEOY, Manders.
Not the person or the question I asked.
Already explained this, yes, I feel Yanni is the right vote for the reasons I mentioned, and I did say I wanted to hear what Zebi said about what I had to say before I jumped on him.
Currently in one other Mafia game, Seppel's Iji Mafia basic.
As for my favorite Mafia memory, I was scum and my lover was town, so we convinced one of the two remaining townies to vote for the other one and we voted for them as well. They expected town to win, so when the next night came on, they were very confused...it was pretty funny. Needless to say, I won that one.
As I said to Ormagoden, I've never played as scum on this forum before and I've seen a few scum chat logs from other games, so I assumed that scum daytalk was the norm.
Maybe that's what he wants you to think. o:
I haven't played a game on this forum as scum, and I've seen a few scum chat logs, so I assumed that meant that all scum had daychat. But, based on reactions, I'm guessing that it's not a given that scum have daychat?
My off switch comment was a joking reference to Seppel's quote. I'm paying very much attention to the way Manders is being, and if I weren't, I wouldn't consider the possibility at all that she could be scum.
I like to bring my own style into games. And if I were town, why wouldn't I cover my ass, either way? The more town, the better chance we have of killing off all of the scum.
Fair enough~ I'm glad my list seems viable, it's what makes sense to me.
WIFOM, dude. That's like me saying, "If I get lynched and I'm town, Manders is also town just because she agreed with me." Which isn't necessarily true at all.
No, that makes perfect sense, and I understand completely. I'm not willing to rule out completely that both Yanni and Manders are scum, but I agree that their tiff seems genuine. However, once Yanni is dead, maybe my headache will subside, and I'm more inclined to vote for him, anyway, considering he JUMPED INTO THE GAME, GUNS BLAZING. Yanni seems to be a belligerent player, and later on in the game, if he IS still alive and town, I'd rather not have more blind accusations being thrown around, as if it gets down to it, the scum could overtake the game easily that way (more easily if Yanni is town). Does that make sense to you? I figure that enough people are suspicious of Zebi already that if it comes to a consensus that he's scum, it won't be too hard to get him lynched. Also, I'm curious to see what he has to say about all of this going on now between Manders, Yanni, Arty, and myself.
That being said, in light of his recent posts, I'm gonna peg PinkFloyd as town.