Yes, I think I will shift from bloodgift to graveborn.
My only hesitation is that bloodgift is a 5CC creature and helps with the pod. Though usually, of course, it is genesis that gets podded away into titan.
Im also finding that I am having a little trouble with colored mana. I think I am going to change kodama's reach and cultivate to wayfarer's bauble and the darksteel ingot.
Or maybe it would be better to cut nature's lore and three visits. With running only 2 colors, hitting the duals isnt exceptionally important.
Not too sure on that though.
I am also REALLY considering adding in mishra's workshop. But it can be such a dead card sometimes...
The death of Vintage can be directly attributed to the Reserved list and nothing else.
vintage was fine. A niche community, but alive and well.
Part of playing vintage was always being able to stretch out your m-schlong (magic *****) with your $5k deck. With the advent of proxies, that was undercut. Tourney attendance initially went up then dropped like a rock...
And then, brainstorm was restricted and that was that.
I don't think there are enough Seals around to really hose over most LGSs.
It's a tough balancing act. That said, most prudent folks know that in reality, all unrestricted magic cards should be reprinted and can be reprinted. This threat of reprint should keep all cards under $100 IMHO. Most should be under $20, but that's a different argument. lol
Side note: I was just checking to see how many Imperial Seals SCG had (since they would arguably be hurt the most by mass reprints of rare staples) and noticed they are having a fire sale on the non-English copies. Not that they are cheap, but they are $100 off.
We should know that formats will die off if they don't address this issue sooner or later. Doesn't have to be Imperial Seal per se, but as we've noted, Tarmogoyf or the like should be reprinted and let people know that you can have value in a card, but don't expect long term holding patterns of high prices because they can and will be reprinted. If not, formats slowly vanish and so does player base.
Standard is their main concern, but Modern and EDH should be as well. If you lose support for other formats, you will eventually die out.
I mean, I dont think you understand how it would effect LGS if wizards started freewheeling on reprinting high dollar cards. I mean, a LGS has a ton of capital tied up in these commodities we know and love as M:tG cards.
Wizards has really quite a few hands to feed: collectors, casual players, competitive, and store owners. Nuking the price of say an imperial seal might help out the casual players (and then only a niche of the casual players) but on the other hand hurts the collects and ESPECIALLY the store owners. Store owners dont make squat from selling packs, boxes or cases. Their main source of income is the secondary market (primarily standard sells). And getting an imperial seal sold is a nice little payday for a store. Not reprinting it and nuking the price is a way that wizards can say thank you to its LGSs.
While it may take a store a few months to move an imperial seal, having the retail price on it drop by $500-$600 is a HUGE loss (especially considering if the store paid around $300 or $400 for one). This is a pretty big loss when you are trying to make ends meet month to month and have bank loans and all that jazz.
What store likes to see the value of their product drop from the sky?
Why? Same reason that you have the P9 banned in EDH. Because of the money involved. In a singleton format, Ancestral or Time Walk don't break the format. They ban them for the money involved. Why not do the same for a card that is just a collectible?
Its already been stated that there will be no retroactive bannings for pricing now. To be honest, sol ring should have been banned before the moxes if we were just going based on power.
Part of magic's allure is the false presumption that magic is also an investment, i.e. stocks that you can play with. Wizards understands full well that the secondary market is one of the things that keep them in business and MORE SPECIFICALLY their LGSs in business.
If wizards really decided to nuke prices on high price cards, do you know who would really be screwed? Their LGSs. Wizards CARES about their LGSs and by extension cares about the secondary market (which is how many LGSs make their money).
Any EDH deck that runs black is better with an Imperial Seal.
So yes, to be competitive you should run Imperial Seal.
... ahh yes, not running an imperial seal in your EDH deck is on the same playing running a type 2 mana base in legacy...right
No one is going to argue and say that diabolic tutor is better than imperial seal. What people are saying is that an extremely MARGINAL increase in efficiency of a casual format deck is not worth the destruction of the collectibility of an imperial seal.
If vampiric tutor were the sorcery and imperial seal the instant then YES, I could see it...if only slightly more so.
You don't seem to understand that the price barrier is what killed Vintage, not allowing proxies.
Proxies was an effort to allow more people to play. Didn't really work, but neither did a format with cards that were printed in such short supply that nobody could easily get into said format.
Vintage was played by its niche players and really just minded its own business. Proxies and restricting brainstorm/ponder killed the format.
And again to reiterate. You do not need an imperial seal to be competitive in EDH, but you almost certainly need the mana base and forces/tarmogoyfs/jaces/bobs etc to be competitive in legacy or modern.
etc.
Personally, I dont mind anyone using blast from the past or gifts given in a more serious style edh game (though gifts given is kind of a d-bag card).
if it was zebra of the reliquary it would be #25 on the list
Just saying
Light and Shadow
Feast and Famine
Body and Mind
War and Peace
Annoying and irritating? Yes, especially the cycling part.... very irritating since I think only 3 spells can stop it
- stifle
- trickbind
- voidslime
)My only hesitation is that bloodgift is a 5CC creature and helps with the pod. Though usually, of course, it is genesis that gets podded away into titan.
Im also finding that I am having a little trouble with colored mana. I think I am going to change kodama's reach and cultivate to wayfarer's bauble and the darksteel ingot.
Or maybe it would be better to cut nature's lore and three visits. With running only 2 colors, hitting the duals isnt exceptionally important.
Not too sure on that though.
I am also REALLY considering adding in mishra's workshop. But it can be such a dead card sometimes...
For example, does me no good to suggest things like imperial seals or grim tutors or cradles when they are certainly out of reach.
Also, if you have any suggestions PLEASE feel free to make them. I have access to nearly every card!
So-
1 Glissa, the Traitor
Recur Creatures
1 sylvok replica
1 moriok replica
1 gravecrawler
1 bloodghast (*)
1 reassembling skeleton
Utility Creatures
1 bloodgift demon
1 rune-scarred demon
1 genesis (*)
1 eternal witness (*)
1 acidic slime (*)
1 oracle of mul daya
1 primeval titan
1 solemn simulacrum
Fat
1 avenger of zendikar
1 craterhoof behemoth
equipment
1 sword of fire and ice (*)
1 sword of light and shadow (*)
1 skullclamp (*)
1 thornbite staff
1 lightning greaves
artifacts
1 expedition map
1 mindslaver
1 memory jar
1 oblivion stone
1 birthing pod
1 nihil spellbomb
1 executioner's capsule
1 sensei's divining top (*)
1 survival of the fittest (*)
1 mana reflection
1 sylvan library
1 pernicious deed
1 necropotence
1 phyrexian arena
Ramp and Rocks
1 grim monolith
1 mana crypt
1 sol ring (*)
1 kodoma's reach
1 cultivate (*)
1 three visits
1 skyshroud claim
1 nature's lore
Tutor Package
1 beseech the queen
1 grim tutor (*)
1 vampiric tutor (*)
1 increasing ambition
1 demonic tutor (*)
1 imperial seal (*)
1 green sun's zenith
1 diabolic tutor
Utility and Draw
1 regrowth
1 decree of pain
1 ambition's cost
1 ancient craving
1 harmonize
1 maelstrom pulse
1 promise of power
1 krosan grip
1 garruk wildspeaker
1 Tooth and Nail
1 Genesis Wave
1 Exsanguinate
Utility lands
1 phyrexian tower
1 high market
1 vesuva
1 deserted temple
1 dryad arbor
1 yavimaya hollow
1 strip mine
1 wasteland
1 grim backwoods
1 reliquary tower
1 petrified field
1 winding canyons
1 bojuka bog
1 volrath's stronghold (*)
Mana
1 bayou
1 verdant catacombs
1 overgrown tomb
1 twilight mire
1 gaea's cradle
1 urborg, tomb of yawgmoth
1 cabal coffers
1 ancient tomb
1 temple of the false god
1 command tower
6 swamps
7 forests
Game plan is pretty simple:
1. ramp out and get the skull clamp engine going
2. use glissa to control the board
3. drop a bomb and win
Remember, any and ALL suggestions are appreciated!
I am currently considering dropping diabolic tutor for diabolic revelation or disciple of bolas... not sure though....
also, disregard the (*), they are for my reference for this weekend to remind me what I took out of my cube :P.
Better than triple AVR...thats for sure.
Not better than 2x INN, 1x DKA
and nowhere CLOSE to triple INN (but that season was in a place all its own...one of my favorite draft seasons ever!)
vintage was fine. A niche community, but alive and well.
Part of playing vintage was always being able to stretch out your m-schlong (magic *****) with your $5k deck. With the advent of proxies, that was undercut. Tourney attendance initially went up then dropped like a rock...
And then, brainstorm was restricted and that was that.
Yes, wizards has to weigh the growth of a format (modern) vs the interest of their LGSs...
Its a tough balancing act.
I mean, I dont think you understand how it would effect LGS if wizards started freewheeling on reprinting high dollar cards. I mean, a LGS has a ton of capital tied up in these commodities we know and love as M:tG cards.
Wizards has really quite a few hands to feed: collectors, casual players, competitive, and store owners. Nuking the price of say an imperial seal might help out the casual players (and then only a niche of the casual players) but on the other hand hurts the collects and ESPECIALLY the store owners. Store owners dont make squat from selling packs, boxes or cases. Their main source of income is the secondary market (primarily standard sells). And getting an imperial seal sold is a nice little payday for a store. Not reprinting it and nuking the price is a way that wizards can say thank you to its LGSs.
While it may take a store a few months to move an imperial seal, having the retail price on it drop by $500-$600 is a HUGE loss (especially considering if the store paid around $300 or $400 for one). This is a pretty big loss when you are trying to make ends meet month to month and have bank loans and all that jazz.
What store likes to see the value of their product drop from the sky?
Its already been stated that there will be no retroactive bannings for pricing now. To be honest, sol ring should have been banned before the moxes if we were just going based on power.
Part of magic's allure is the false presumption that magic is also an investment, i.e. stocks that you can play with. Wizards understands full well that the secondary market is one of the things that keep them in business and MORE SPECIFICALLY their LGSs in business.
If wizards really decided to nuke prices on high price cards, do you know who would really be screwed? Their LGSs. Wizards CARES about their LGSs and by extension cares about the secondary market (which is how many LGSs make their money).
... ahh yes, not running an imperial seal in your EDH deck is on the same playing running a type 2 mana base in legacy...right
No one is going to argue and say that diabolic tutor is better than imperial seal. What people are saying is that an extremely MARGINAL increase in efficiency of a casual format deck is not worth the destruction of the collectibility of an imperial seal.
If vampiric tutor were the sorcery and imperial seal the instant then YES, I could see it...if only slightly more so.
I suggest you read why they are discontinuing the PDS....
Vintage was played by its niche players and really just minded its own business. Proxies and restricting brainstorm/ponder killed the format.
And again to reiterate. You do not need an imperial seal to be competitive in EDH, but you almost certainly need the mana base and forces/tarmogoyfs/jaces/bobs etc to be competitive in legacy or modern.