Legacy is absolutely taking off in Brisbane right now. The modern scene is comparatively weak. Good Games (in Spring Hill) does Tuesday nights legacy where we get around 30 regulars (up from like 10 this time last year), you should come and join the fun.
Edit: as for the modern from vs old frame - you'd be surprised how many legacy decks can manage to run only about 8 or so cards that are only available in the old frame and usually these are the dual lands which make them easier to search for off a fetch land anyway. Besides if you ask me a card is still going to do the same thing whether its black border, white border, old frame, new frame, foil or altered so it shouldn't really matter. At any rate- you can't control what cards your opponent uses and I suspect that even some cards in standard (and definitely modern) have old border printings so you will always run into games where you have to play with (or rather, against) the old bordered cards.
Really S&T is a bad match up for aggro decks. Don't be upset that you lose fairly often.
Nevermore sounds quite strong. Name enter the infinite I guess. Yeah I can accept that S&T is a hard matchup for Death and Taxes. But sometimes you can steal games if you have the right hate at the right times
Ethersworn Canonist also helps a bunch, stopping him from being able to play anything after a resolved show and tell.
If his showed permanent is omniscience, he only needs 5 mana total to show+stifle it (through a thalia). However that being said, 5 mana is a lot and DNT should be able to keep a deck off 5 mana for extended periods of time - I guess I just got unlucky and saw no thalia in 3 games
As I mentioned in the OP - Canonist helps but its only buying 2 turns tops.
O-ring and D-sphere are both good choices against Show & Tell strategies in general. Angel of Despair is also a good aggressive option too. Note that all of these lose to Stifle, but the likelihood that the S&T player has all three -- S&T, Omniscience, Stifle + a way to win after all that exchange, is generally low.
Low probability or not, it still happened... twice. I had the Oring and he had the stifle - I was just curious to see if there was a way around it which is why I specifically asked for something that got around stifle.
Against show and tell specifically people have been using venser, shaper savant and or angel of despair. They both have some come into play effects that can deal with anything that gets put into play off of show and tell. There are more like humility but it does not deal with the omniscience aspect of the deck.
Like I mentioned, the problem was with Stifle - which answers both of those cards - also, I'd prefer if the solution was mono-white so it can be hardcast or have use against other decks
In my meta, there's a particular show and tell (dream halls / Omnishow) player I have trouble with. Normally I can handle show and tell (playing mono-white, so I have access to Oblivion Ring and Karakas which seem to do the job against every other SNT deck in my meta)
The thing is, after side boarding, he brings in Trickbind and Stifle which prevent O-Ring from being any good
While Ethersworn Canonist can buy me a turn or two (he's on the Enter the Infinite -> Red Burn spell kill) it's probably not going to get me there, so I'm looking for something which can deal with omniscience and get around stifle/trickbind.
Anyone got any suggestions for a card in mono-white that would help in this situation?
After reading this thread I threw together a quick Hex/Depths deck on cockatrice last night. I splashed in green with some bayous to allot for Into the North, because as far as I can tell, cycling cards aside, thats the most efficient card that lets me fish for Depths. I also included a set of Fog and a set of Lotus Petals. I only managed to get Marit Lage out on turn 3, and I was up against a Blighted Agent deck (which is everywhere these days) and lost before I could swing. This happened 3 games in a row, in the exact same way.
Living Wish was actually the tutor of choice for junk depths back when it was a Deck to Beat. Searching both halves of the combo or acting as a nifty toolbox. Splashing white in the deck also allowed access to Knight of the Reliquary for additional tutoring and an alternate gameplan (beatdown).
meddling mage(probably not a good pick) Phyrexian Revoker, Pithing Needle(a bit better) Thoughtseize, Duress, Inquisition of Kozilek, Cabal Therapy or any other discard spell ever. I do realise though that they can just play around this by leaving the nightmare on the field, but still, you might be able to catch them off guard. Scavenging ooze is nice, you just eat the creature in response to the trigger. Any other grave hate will work but I like ooze a lot.
Legacy is absolutely taking off in Brisbane right now. The modern scene is comparatively weak. Good Games (in Spring Hill) does Tuesday nights legacy where we get around 30 regulars (up from like 10 this time last year), you should come and join the fun.
Edit: as for the modern from vs old frame - you'd be surprised how many legacy decks can manage to run only about 8 or so cards that are only available in the old frame and usually these are the dual lands which make them easier to search for off a fetch land anyway. Besides if you ask me a card is still going to do the same thing whether its black border, white border, old frame, new frame, foil or altered so it shouldn't really matter. At any rate- you can't control what cards your opponent uses and I suspect that even some cards in standard (and definitely modern) have old border printings so you will always run into games where you have to play with (or rather, against) the old bordered cards.
enduring ideal sounds like a really good card right about now...
Leyline! Yes I think that's the one I'm going to end up using
Nevermore sounds quite strong. Name enter the infinite I guess. Yeah I can accept that S&T is a hard matchup for Death and Taxes. But sometimes you can steal games if you have the right hate at the right times
If his showed permanent is omniscience, he only needs 5 mana total to show+stifle it (through a thalia). However that being said, 5 mana is a lot and DNT should be able to keep a deck off 5 mana for extended periods of time - I guess I just got unlucky and saw no thalia in 3 games
As I mentioned in the OP - Canonist helps but its only buying 2 turns tops.
Low probability or not, it still happened... twice. I had the Oring and he had the stifle - I was just curious to see if there was a way around it which is why I specifically asked for something that got around stifle.
Like I mentioned, the problem was with Stifle - which answers both of those cards - also, I'd prefer if the solution was mono-white so it can be hardcast or have use against other decks
Just maybe... I'll give it a go and hope he doesn't have the counters.
The thing is, after side boarding, he brings in Trickbind and Stifle which prevent O-Ring from being any good
While Ethersworn Canonist can buy me a turn or two (he's on the Enter the Infinite -> Red Burn spell kill) it's probably not going to get me there, so I'm looking for something which can deal with omniscience and get around stifle/trickbind.
Anyone got any suggestions for a card in mono-white that would help in this situation?
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Innocent Blood
Hi!
Black Lotus
Show and Tell
Swords to Plowshares
Judge's Familiar
Trinisphere
Steel Golem
How'd you do that?! Black lotus is only giving you one colour? Gideon Jura is one that does work, however
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Steel Golem
Living Wish was actually the tutor of choice for junk depths back when it was a Deck to Beat. Searching both halves of the combo or acting as a nifty toolbox. Splashing white in the deck also allowed access to Knight of the Reliquary for additional tutoring and an alternate gameplan (beatdown).
http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/metagame.php?format=Legacy&fecha=2012-9
so at the moment the popular/powerful decks are Treshold/RUG, Miracles, Esper/Uw Stoneblade, Maverick and Goblins
Phyrexian Revoker, Pithing Needle(a bit better)
Thoughtseize, Duress, Inquisition of Kozilek, Cabal Therapy or any other discard spell ever. I do realise though that they can just play around this by leaving the nightmare on the field, but still, you might be able to catch them off guard.
Scavenging ooze is nice, you just eat the creature in response to the trigger. Any other grave hate will work but I like ooze a lot.