This suggestion may be voted out fast but I'm just going to throw it out there because this is what I'd do if I was making such a deck.
3 nova chaser. Unfortunately, I don't think we will ever have enough elementals to champion for it. But with bubble matrix out, this thing becomes quite the monstrosity considering trample will still work.
But at any rate, I'll go look for a high power creature with trample in white and see if that can fit the bill. Or maybe just Loxodon Warhammer. Plus if anything, being in red can help us if we feel we need some direct damage in here so we can get the job done.
Submerge is a very narrow version of the card. It sees play in legacy sideboards, mostly blue tempo decks like RUG Delver. Usually they cast it with a threat on the board which buys them enough time to win.
The version of this deck I've testing on my own can go infinite with mycosynth lattice, summoning station, clock of omens and dagsson. Yes it takes forever, but man is it cool stuff
Doesn't matter, this thread gave me some pretty awesome ideas even if this exact list has things I dislike about it.
I'm going to use my triple vote to remove one memnite and then put the last vote on brainstorm. I hated the memnites since day one, they are rarely what you want... even if they are "free" they still take up space in the deck which is annoying when we have stuff like myr servitor. The brainstorm is something I really feel is needed in the deck, but this is just so we can end.
FYI, whoever invoked the "lets axe silver myr" really hindered the deck because they help a great bunch. Especially if you try to go infinite with dagsson, it lets you do that a turn earlier (significant)
I haven't participated in GMAD before, so I don't want to add the final card when you guys might not be done with the deck, but I think a singleton Helm of Possession would make a great fetch target, as we've got sac targets in plenty and it'll allow us to grab their biggest threat.
Nice card! Especially with clock of omens. Now I really wish we had summoning station.... That could allow for infinite creature stealing!!!
Clock of omens at the very least allows for stealing a lot of creatures at once.
What a cool card
Voting to cut etched champion because although protection from colours is nice, we need a bigger body to end the game rather than just 2/2. We've cut all the swords, so he will never get the job done quick enough. I'd rather be drawing sacrifice fodder over it.
Voting to cut Memnite. We aren't an aggro deck and there is more specialised sac-fodder avaible (myr servitor)
Final Vote for Epochrasite. We don't have the deathrender combo anymore.
Adding 2 copies of Basalt Monolith. I'm pretty sure it does silly things with Clock of Omens around. I've added 2 because occasionally it is nice to draw it naturally and use it as 1-shot ramp. It makes for explosive starts with are good.
This is looking better now. We have 2 avenues of winning now. The Karn+fatty artifacts. And the Clock of Omens + Whacky infinity-Untappy stuff.
Brainstorm is there not for the draw ability. It's there for the put 2 back. If we don't have 8post out then we can't expect to cast those high-end artifacts. Dagsson is only as useful as what he can tinker into play. We need a way to put stuff back in the library if we accidentally draw it.
Thoughtcast is okay, but just realize that brainstorm is also important here for more than just card draw.
I'd upvote, but I'm on my phone and find that stuff a bit hard with no mouse/keyboard.
We never added Epochrasite and I'm not sure if we really want to now either. So I think Deathrender needs to go.
I understand that Sword of light and shadow is there to get our sacced creatures back but we've sorta cut the middleman out here by using myr servitor which does it all by itself. So I think we can get rid of that sword too.
The equipment of choice would be batterskull (imo) if anything...
I understand that Nev's Disk is "better" than O-stone here but I don't really like repeated boardwipes. If it gets voted all the way out and replaced, that's fine, but for now, we can go down to 2 copies. Yes we might need to boardwipe without the darksteel forge on the field but at the same time that could be doing us more harm than its worth.
Blut never came back to give us the combo for Lantern of Insight and I don't really get it... So I'm voting that one out too.
Elixir is okay.... but I don't ever see myself grabbing that with Arcum (or trinket mage for that matter). I'd much rather fetch a fatty artifact and impact the board a lot more. Voting that out too.
Otherwise, I think this deck is pretty done... If someone has some combos/idea's they're trying to get in here, speak up. We can add them before we cut but otherwise... I'm happy to just add some more cards tomorrow morning and then we can wrap it all up.
I'm also going to vote down Myr Sire. Myr servitor does a very similar thing and is also fetchable with trinket mage.
Voting down Deathrender, because we can search that with Dagsson
Voting down trinket mage. Even if we add more things to grab, I still think 3 copies will be plenty. What's more is that he isn't an artifact creature, which might prove to be important if we're in a pinch and need to activate Dagsson.
Voting to remove Summoning station on the basis we add something like Myr Turbine
If we do end up adding the turbine, I think Myr Battlesphere should go down to 2 copies. I'll add that vote now.
Voting to remove thoughtcast. I agree with the reasoning given a while back. If we draw any of our high cost stuff, then Dagsson loses effectiveness. We need Brainstorm (and possibly some blue fetches) to make sure we can put any essential artifacts back into our library.
Also, for our picture we need JTMS holding the swords between his hands and the face from Tendrills having a staring contest with the character from Force Of Will.
I like the idea of that staring contest
I think though, Brainstorm needs to turn up somewhere in the picture too
3 nova chaser. Unfortunately, I don't think we will ever have enough elementals to champion for it. But with bubble matrix out, this thing becomes quite the monstrosity considering trample will still work.
4 Bubble Matrix
Creatures: 17
4 kami of false hope (2 @ -all)
4 Wall of Glare
3 fountain watch
3 Glory
3 Nova Chaser
3 Pariah
Land: 24
24 Placeholder
But at any rate, I'll go look for a high power creature with trample in white and see if that can fit the bill. Or maybe just Loxodon Warhammer. Plus if anything, being in red can help us if we feel we need some direct damage in here so we can get the job done.
3 Braids, Cabal Minion
3 Braids, Conjurer Adept
1 It That Betrays
3 Reassembling Skeleton
3 Reveillark
3 Solemn Simulacrum
4 Ichor Wellspring
Land: 24
24 Placeholder
Yup, probably unintentional, but that's where the error is.
The version of this deck I've testing on my own can go infinite with mycosynth lattice, summoning station, clock of omens and dagsson. Yes it takes forever, but man is it cool stuff
Doesn't matter, this thread gave me some pretty awesome ideas even if this exact list has things I dislike about it.
I'm going to use my triple vote to remove one memnite and then put the last vote on brainstorm. I hated the memnites since day one, they are rarely what you want... even if they are "free" they still take up space in the deck which is annoying when we have stuff like myr servitor. The brainstorm is something I really feel is needed in the deck, but this is just so we can end.
FYI, whoever invoked the "lets axe silver myr" really hindered the deck because they help a great bunch. Especially if you try to go infinite with dagsson, it lets you do that a turn earlier (significant)
the 6 placeholders are island
this deck is done, thanks for all your ideas
4 Arcum Dagsson
2 Myr Battlesphere
3 Memnite
3 Myr Sire (1@-1)
2 Karn, Silver Golem
4 Myr Servitor
Artifacts - 12
1 Batterskull
2 Oblivion Stone (1@-1, 1@-all)
1 Akroma's Memorial
1 Mycosynth Lattice
1 Darksteel Forge
1 Mindslaver
1 Helm of Possession
2 Staff of Domination (1@-1)
2 Grim Monolith (1@-1)
4 Thoughtcast (-1)
Planeswalkers - 2
2 Tezzeret the Seeker
Land - 24
6 Island
4 Glimmerpost
4 Cloudpost
4 Darksteel Citadel
4 Seat of the Synod
2 Academy Ruins
Nice card! Especially with clock of omens. Now I really wish we had summoning station.... That could allow for infinite creature stealing!!!
Clock of omens at the very least allows for stealing a lot of creatures at once.
What a cool card
Voting to cut Memnite. We aren't an aggro deck and there is more specialised sac-fodder avaible (myr servitor)
Final Vote for Epochrasite. We don't have the deathrender combo anymore.
Adding 2 copies of Basalt Monolith. I'm pretty sure it does silly things with Clock of Omens around. I've added 2 because occasionally it is nice to draw it naturally and use it as 1-shot ramp. It makes for explosive starts with are good.
This is looking better now. We have 2 avenues of winning now. The Karn+fatty artifacts. And the Clock of Omens + Whacky infinity-Untappy stuff.
4 Arcum Dagsson
2 Myr Battlesphere
2 Etched Champion (-2)
4 Memnite (-2)
3 Myr Sire (1@-1)
2 Karn, Silver Golem
3 Trinket Mage
4 Myr Servitor
Artifacts - 16
1 Batterskull
2 Oblivion Stone (1@ -all)
2 Myr Matrix (1 @-all)
1 Akroma's Memorial
1 Mycosynth Lattice
1 Darksteel Forge
2 Thousand-Year Elixir (1@-all)
1 Mindslaver
1 Clock of Omens
2 Staff of Domination
2 Basalt monolith
4 Thoughtcast (2 @ -all)
Instants - 4
4 Brainstorm
Planeswalkers - 2
2 Tezzeret the Seeker
Land - 24
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4 Glimmerpost
4 Cloudpost
4 Darksteel Citadel
4 Seat of the Synod
2 Academy Ruins
Thoughtcast is okay, but just realize that brainstorm is also important here for more than just card draw.
I'd upvote, but I'm on my phone and find that stuff a bit hard with no mouse/keyboard.
I understand that Sword of light and shadow is there to get our sacced creatures back but we've sorta cut the middleman out here by using myr servitor which does it all by itself. So I think we can get rid of that sword too.
The equipment of choice would be batterskull (imo) if anything...
I understand that Nev's Disk is "better" than O-stone here but I don't really like repeated boardwipes. If it gets voted all the way out and replaced, that's fine, but for now, we can go down to 2 copies. Yes we might need to boardwipe without the darksteel forge on the field but at the same time that could be doing us more harm than its worth.
Blut never came back to give us the combo for Lantern of Insight and I don't really get it... So I'm voting that one out too.
Elixir is okay.... but I don't ever see myself grabbing that with Arcum (or trinket mage for that matter). I'd much rather fetch a fatty artifact and impact the board a lot more. Voting that out too.
4 Arcum Dagsson
2 Myr Battlesphere
2 Etched Champion
4 Memnite
3 Myr Sire (1@-1)
2 Karn, Silver Golem
3 Trinket Mage
4 Myr Servitor
Artifacts - 15
3 Oblivion Stone (1 @ -1)
2 Myr Matrix
1 Akroma's Memorial
1 Lantern of Insight (-2)
1 Mycosynth Lattice
1 Darksteel Forge
1 Sword of Light and Shadow (-2)
1 Deathrender (-2)
2 Thousand-Year Elixir
1 Mindslaver
1 Clock of Omens
4 Thoughtcast (1 @ -all)
Instants - 4
4 Brainstorm
Planeswalkers - 2
2 Tezzeret the Seeker
Land - 24
6 Placeholder
4 Glimmerpost
4 Cloudpost
4 Darksteel Citadel
4 Seat of the Synod
2 Academy Ruins
Otherwise, I think this deck is pretty done... If someone has some combos/idea's they're trying to get in here, speak up. We can add them before we cut but otherwise... I'm happy to just add some more cards tomorrow morning and then we can wrap it all up.
4 Arcum Dagsson
2 Myr Battlesphere
3 Etched Champion (2 @-1)
4 Memnite
3 Myr Sire (1@-1)
2 Karn, Silver Golem
3 Trinket Mage
4 Myr Servitor
Artifacts - 12
2 Myr Matrix
1 Akroma's Memorial
1 Lantern of Insight
1 Mycosynth Lattice
1 Darksteel Forge
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Deathrender
2 Thousand-Year Elixir
1 Mindslaver
1 Elixir of Immortality
4 Thoughtcast (1 @ -all)
Instants - 4
4 Brainstorm
Planeswalkers - 2
2 Tezzeret the Seeker
Land - 24
6 Placeholder
4 Glimmerpost
4 Cloudpost
4 Darksteel Citadel
4 Seat of the Synod
2 Academy Ruins
Just use something like Skittering Invasion or Kozilek's Predator to convoke the wurm down earlier...
And then you enchant the wurm with resonance and go to town with a like a bagillion metric tons of mana.
And then with such a good way to make a token army of eldrazi spawns, you can just use something like Overwhelming Stampede
Voting down Deathrender, because we can search that with Dagsson
Voting down trinket mage. Even if we add more things to grab, I still think 3 copies will be plenty. What's more is that he isn't an artifact creature, which might prove to be important if we're in a pinch and need to activate Dagsson.
Voting to remove Summoning station on the basis we add something like Myr Turbine
If we do end up adding the turbine, I think Myr Battlesphere should go down to 2 copies. I'll add that vote now.
Voting to remove thoughtcast. I agree with the reasoning given a while back. If we draw any of our high cost stuff, then Dagsson loses effectiveness. We need Brainstorm (and possibly some blue fetches) to make sure we can put any essential artifacts back into our library.
So with that, I'll add in 4 Brainstorm.
4 Arcum Dagsson
3 Myr Battlesphere (1@-1)
3 Etched Champion
4 Memnite
3 Myr Sire (2@-1)
2 Karn, Silver Golem
4 Trinket Mage (2 @ -1)
4 Myr Servitor
1 Akroma's Memorial
1 Summoning Station (2 @ -all)
1 Lantern of Insight
1 Mycosynth Lattice
1 Darksteel Forge
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
2 Deathrender (2 @ -1)
2 Thousand-Year Elixir
4 Thoughtcast (2@ -all)
Instants - 4
4 Brainstorm
Planeswalkers - 2
2 Tezzeret the Seeker
Land - 24
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4 Darksteel Citadel
4 Seat of the Synod
2 Academy Ruins
I like the idea of that staring contest
I think though, Brainstorm needs to turn up somewhere in the picture too
Try and Sum up legacy in 5 cards?
Force of Will
Brainstorm
Stoneforge Mystic (????)
Green Sun's Zenith
Tendrils of Agony