Also lots of the why Jace won't be a problem in Modern arguments remind me of the Jace won't be a problem in standard Arguments.
But wouldn't those arguments regarding him not being a Standard be correct? Such arguments would obviously have to take place prior to him officially entering the format (or at least shortly thereafter), and Jace wasn't a problem for a while. Sure, he was good, but he didn't become a true monster until after rotation when a lot of cards that were effective against him rotated out, which obviously would not occur in Modern.
Actually Jace was seeing affinity levels of top 8's even before Jund rotated out and at that time people where making the same arguments they where making now. Even after jund rotated they printed many hate cards that targeted planes walkers but his share of the meta just grew. Also worth pointing out that Jace was considered too slow for Legacy for a quite a while as well.
Actually if we're bringing up old stuff, Jace wasn't the only problematic feature of blue at the time. It was reaching affinity because the cards U/W had access to were just the most efficient cards in standard. U/W had access to Preordain, Mana Leak, Path to Exile, and fetch lands. (Preordain also is a banned card in modern, I know it's not for being too powerful but alas it is banned!) It wasn't just Jace in blue that swallowed the petri dish. It all got worse after Oblivion Ring rotated out with BBE. When that happened Jace broke. Then they printed more problematic cards in Scars block. The whole deck was a snowballing super block monster to be perfectly honest. And they didn't introduce Planeswalker specific removal until a good 6 months after Jace and Stoneforge Mystic we're banned. This was just the point where they decided "destroy target Planeswalker" was something that needed to happen and be an ever present part of the game. Sure Jace was a format warping card, but in no way was he a lone offender.
That is what control decks are supposed to do JayJay. That is the trade-off for leaning control over midrange. You get an edge by going over the mid-range strategies by losing an edge against more aggressive strategies. That is a large part of why control isn't performing in the first place. It doesn't have a sufficient way to capitalize on turning the corner and stabilizing. If a mid-range deck hasn't put the game away in turns 8-12 against control it should dramatically lose the advantage going late. Jace should impact the format by bringing a piller archetype in line with the rest of the mainstay archetypes. It might turn into a problem in witch case we will know for a fact that yes JTMS is busted in modern. Plus side though if that is in fact the case. Then you can log onto MTGS and tell the world "I told you so!"
Nothing needs banned, the format is healthy. In fact the weekends PT is kind of proof of this fact. Nothing occupied an overwhelming portion of the metagame and lantern kept the linier decks on check.
I personally don't think there's any reason to ban anything in lantern yet. I really don't think it would have been such a shoe in to win the PT had Pascal Vieren beat Gerry Thompson. Luis Salvatto just played a good decision on the day and was lucky and got reasonable matchups. It not a broken format, no corrections necessary.
I guess we don't see what your trying to advocate for here. Could you possibly describe this one Mana discard spell you are waiting anxiously to see?
I don't think your presenting your philosophy correctly. It seams to me you are expecting them to make additional options to the smorgasbord of options they already have. At one Mana discard you already have Thoughtseize, Inquisition of Kozilek, duress, Dispise, Appetite for brains, Ebony Charm, and Ravens Crime in modern. And that's not even all of them! How much more design space is there even left to break the mold.
Or perhaps there is a better example you could use to present your theory?
The Wheel of Time version from GP Copenhagen is a pretty legit list. I've been playing around with it for a couple weeks now and it plays well. Sorry don't have a final list as I've been tinkering with it daily. One thing to note is that it isn't as dependent on As Fortold as it looks on paper. It's not uncommon to suspend Ancestral Vision or Wheel of fate in turn 1 or 2, especially if you are expecting hand disruption. Often times you can resolve an As Fortold as your looping through turns anyway without ever having to worry about an answer from your opponent as they likely won't have enough resources available to deploy them. Often once you achieve a turn loop you can actually take turns or exhaust your opponent untill your suspend spells resolve as well.
Actually the MSRP is set for two main reasons. One they are hurting the bottom line on their most valuable assets, Magic's long term success has more or less been because of their products collectabuility. That's also the reason for the short print run. They made a mistake way back by overprinting Chronicles witch led to this thing called the "Reserved Lists" you may have heard of. The second major and most important reason for the high MSRP is to disincentives people from straight up cracking packs and boxes. The master's series in terms of unopened boxes and packs is to create a special draft format for experienced players with the upside of introducing staples into the secondary market. If you are looking for something specific from Modern Masters you are most likely better off buying singles as was intended.
Wow, players get a reprint of enemy fetches and still complain! A reprint is a reprint. Goes to show WOTC could slip $100 bills into packs and people will complain about how it's folded. They probably put those in because they knew it would be a while before they made a standard reprint and wanted to get extra copies in circulation before then. Also they did cause broplemd in standard. Too much shuffling, filling the graveyard too easily, to efficient mana bases, and let's not forget the mess tgat Knight of the Reliquary was!
I would bet some serious money against a devotion mechanic attached to the gods of Amonkhet. That would make these just a cheap knockoff of Theros gods.
It was a mistake to reprint her alongside Thoughtseize my man. I hope you can understand them not doing it in M15. They did say here power level in certain environments was problematic but that she wasn't too powerful to do in standard. Also she wasn't a dominant card in standard. All that to say they could absolutely reprint her in a standard legal set!
These are PW's of the intro decks they will be fairly unexciting almost guaranteed. Liliana's first ability really isn't terrible though. Night of Soul's Betrayal is 4cmc but is legendary and Course of Death's Hold saw standard play at 5cmc as well. Liliana cost 7cmc but is progressive and adds loyalty on top of that. Plus you will be able to tutor for her or pull her back from your graveyard as well. Regardless these are intro pack junk mythics what are you really looking for out of these cards?
Also, -1/-1 counters and +1/+1 counters can be in standard together. They don't put both into the same BLOCK because it increases complexity and creates confusing boards states for even veteran players in LIMITED. Wouldn't bet on persist, infect, or whither in Amonkhet. Persist, infect, and whither are problematic mechanics and warp draft environments around them. Doubly unlikely for infect because I strongly doubt Bolas would let's a plane of his creation get corrupted by phyrisis on purpose!
Wow! We Know a grand total of 3 cards and can guess at a possible new art snapcaster mage reprint from the packaging and the sky is already falling! They got pretty bad feedback from the last roster so I'm willing to bet this one is somewhere between MM1 and MM2 in relevant reprints. Not, going to try to speculate. As for a LOTV reprint, if she doesn't show up here she will probably be in Amonkhet. Unlike most modern staples where they can't print them in a standard legal set, LOTV isn't a standard warping card. With no strong discard effects and graveyard and discard mechanics leaving standard she could easily be introduced in standard.
Price is not the ONLY reason i would like to see Tarmogoyf banned which is why I mentioned it last. Power level is also not the ONLY reason I would like Tarmogoyf banned, like many have said, it's not too powerful or degenerate. I would like to see it banned for the same reason people want Preordain/ponder banned. Aggro decks have a lot of of other powerful two drops and banning Tarmogoyf would force players to utilize otherwise good cards that could not compete along Tarmogoyf and it would stop the Aggro decks from becoming stagnant and repetitive. Nit pick my opinion all you want, I honestly believe Modern would be a better format without Tarmogoyf for A LOT of reasons.
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Tarmogoyf is going to stay because he is great, not overpowered and certainly does not enable any innane interactions.
Tarmogoyf is one of the best two drops in the game, if you balance combo why not balance aggro too. It's not the first time its come up either, many players wanted it banned in both standard and extended when it was in the format. Wizards admits the card was a mistake. Oh yeah lets not forget it's one of, if not the only $100+ card in the format which is a factor in moving away from Legacy so yeah, I'd like to see it banned
Actually if we're bringing up old stuff, Jace wasn't the only problematic feature of blue at the time. It was reaching affinity because the cards U/W had access to were just the most efficient cards in standard. U/W had access to Preordain, Mana Leak, Path to Exile, and fetch lands. (Preordain also is a banned card in modern, I know it's not for being too powerful but alas it is banned!) It wasn't just Jace in blue that swallowed the petri dish. It all got worse after Oblivion Ring rotated out with BBE. When that happened Jace broke. Then they printed more problematic cards in Scars block. The whole deck was a snowballing super block monster to be perfectly honest. And they didn't introduce Planeswalker specific removal until a good 6 months after Jace and Stoneforge Mystic we're banned. This was just the point where they decided "destroy target Planeswalker" was something that needed to happen and be an ever present part of the game. Sure Jace was a format warping card, but in no way was he a lone offender.
I don't think your presenting your philosophy correctly. It seams to me you are expecting them to make additional options to the smorgasbord of options they already have. At one Mana discard you already have Thoughtseize, Inquisition of Kozilek, duress, Dispise, Appetite for brains, Ebony Charm, and Ravens Crime in modern. And that's not even all of them! How much more design space is there even left to break the mold.
Or perhaps there is a better example you could use to present your theory?
Overflowing Insight is more like an expensive Opportunity than it is Time Reversal. Pull from tomorrow seems so much better though.
Also, -1/-1 counters and +1/+1 counters can be in standard together. They don't put both into the same BLOCK because it increases complexity and creates confusing boards states for even veteran players in LIMITED. Wouldn't bet on persist, infect, or whither in Amonkhet. Persist, infect, and whither are problematic mechanics and warp draft environments around them. Doubly unlikely for infect because I strongly doubt Bolas would let's a plane of his creation get corrupted by phyrisis on purpose!
Tarmogoyf is one of the best two drops in the game, if you balance combo why not balance aggro too. It's not the first time its come up either, many players wanted it banned in both standard and extended when it was in the format. Wizards admits the card was a mistake. Oh yeah lets not forget it's one of, if not the only $100+ card in the format which is a factor in moving away from Legacy so yeah, I'd like to see it banned