So the team we know, is D_V/Cantrip/Me/Terry. D_V being Mordred. I definitely didn't want him on Q1. and his Percy claim I was originally pissed at, but it took Vaimes right out of play (I'm really sad about that BTW, I think there were lines of play for you, but you're right that it was going to be tricky).
I'm so glad my gut was right about you being scum early on. You basically outlined my line of play. I barned the hell out of where I saw you developing your game.
I saw my proposal working out in three likely ways: being widely accepted and pushed, being widely rejected and denied, and being rejected while coupling me with my +1.
I weighed the pros/cons of each and saw the latter 2 being more likely given everyones view of me. Now since I had no idea on my team, I narrowed down my choice to Cantrip/Osie which I had a high suspicion one of them was deepscum but wasn't particularly sure which was which. If Osie was town/scum, my idea was that there would be enough force by my partners who were townread to push an agenda against it or for it (I was right )
My guess before gameover for who Merlin was was Osie or AG because there was a few instances from each where it felt like a "all-knowing" player.
I doubt there are many better options for a quest, but like I said before- I'll vote for a combination of what I detailed before and now me because I'm not the proposer.
I don't know that we get a lot out of the voting order in any case. Without a result, what are even looking at. Lol.
Anyway, I'll just go. Terry's last post resonated quite a bit. Any rebuttal Brin? That's seems pretty damning. I mean I'm trying to figure out if you're just not invested, because I don't feel like we have infinite passes here. But yeah, you nominated your suspect from the last proposal!
Vote No
I will note that I was willing to roll the dice with cantrip/osie. I'm not sure how willing I am for just osie here. And brinatoo started from behind anyway. I appreciate your thoughts, but it does seem like they have a big problem with consistency
Mind, why are you so quick to jump on that *****ty logic he just proposed? And I agree we don't have infinite passes here. That's why I think it makes the most sense to do as I did.
And for all of the confusion concerning me talking about it failing.... obviously I meant my proposal failing and not the quest.... we are in "double lylo" so if you really think I'm that stupid to talk about it failing in that manner... thanks for the inadvertent diss.
Well, I hope I didn't actually diss you there. Wasn't my intent.
Brin you did indeed say that Cantrip was "sure", Osie was "meh", and proph was "gross". That's part of the record. I can't square you then proposing a group with Osie and Proph on it, and no Cantrip. I just don't understand it. And to be 100% clear here, I think *perhaps* if you wanted to be clearer, you could have taken the time to do so. So we've had to do our best with that one word description of the game state. It's not *****ty logic to say you voted no on the lsat one because of proph and Osie. it's not. You did that. and then you proposed them here. it's inconsistent, and it's not something I could vote for. I'm just pissed at myself for not catching it, to be perfectly honest. I really appreciated Terry catching it.
Apologies for onelined opinions. Sure and meh are kinda neutral for me, I could go into depth about my gutreads from a week ago when my focus has been my studies, but yea I doubt I could accurately describe what I was feeling then. I've gone over the logic with leaving Proph on there. It's a numbers game, if there was only 1 scum on that Q3 failure then it really only comes down to adding one more town to clinch this W. Hence why I'm equally fine with Cantrip/Osie taking that spot. And what everyone is getting confused about- is that my preferred lineup would be swapping out Proph for Cantrip to put even more cushion for if someone scum did gambit a yes on that Q3. But I'm already aware that that is statistically the wrong choice and probably won't be agreed upon by everyone else. (I'm also trying to put my best consensus idea forward) in case others come up with even worse ideas after me and we vote no 5 times in a row.
So I'm torn...this would have been a high Q3+1 pick for me, as Osie's done a good job of convincing me that he's town. But I haven't gotten enough from Brin to trust him, and his progression is definitely odd.
So I guess I'm at a similar place on this proposal as the last one: One of Mind, Proph, or Rhand is scum, and the question is whether Osie is town or not. As has been mentioned, if two of Mind/Proph/Rhand are scum, I think we're toast no matter what.
We had a lot of discussion between when Brin made his response to DV's proposal and when Brin made his own, and I could see Brin reassessing based on that...but he hasn't mentioned that. In fact, he seemed a little offended that Terry and Mind were questioning him.
Eh, I'd like Brin to respond again, but I'm still leaning toward voting yes on this. It feels right.
I would be disappointed in myself if I didn't possess the mental capacity to be aware of a double lylo situation.
So here's my proposal: Vaimes, Rhand, Mindreaver, Prophylaxis, Silvercrys3467, osieorb18
While I remember being skeptical of osie's play/accusations early in the game- my gut is telling me it's their playstyle and not indicative of scumalignment. The only other recommendation I would have if this fails is to swap out for Cantrip maybe? TBH I think it's Proph who failed it and taking them off for cantrip completely would be my best judgement- but I'm also not going to argue a gut-decision vs. logical-decision (a Q+1 is always a better choice statistically)
How would anyone pass this when Brin literally said that.
Osie's play is skeptical, his gut says its not indicative of scum alignment. But notice how he doesn't say it is a reason to town read Osie. He just throws dirt at Osie and then throws him on the quest yolo style.
So, why even put Proph on the damn quest if you think he failed it.
I don't really understand what you are getting at, Are you confused about where I talk about subbing out Proph for Cantrip? Your argument about "why even put Proph on" is not even remotely close to anything if we are arguing about osie. And with Osie, you kind of answer your own jab that my opinion of him changed over time... shocking.
He leave's the two people he had misgivings about from the last proposal on this one AND adds the other person he suspected could have failed the previous quest in place of Cantrip who seems pretty town.
That's inaccurate. I don't think both Rhand AND Proph are scum. I believe it was one of them that failed it NOT BOTH. So my logic is that the other + everyone else (including my +1) would be town WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT.
Vote: No Brinatoo just proposed a quest that he knew would fail. This looks to me like he pulled cantrip and replaced him with a scum buddy in order to get to the two fails the scum team needs to win this game. This would also imply that Mindreaver is town.
Let me go over again numbers since you appear to be flinging mud on the whole situation. The DV proposal was Prophylaxis, Mindreaver, Silvercrys3467, Vaimes, Cantripmancer, osieorb18. Osie AND Cantrip are new variables and Rhand was removed from the equation. With my proposal I'm asking either Osie OR Cantrip as only ONE NEW VARIABLE! Statistically it makes the most sense to go for one more town and assume there was 4 town on Q3. That's our best chance imo.
I don't know that we get a lot out of the voting order in any case. Without a result, what are even looking at. Lol.
Anyway, I'll just go. Terry's last post resonated quite a bit. Any rebuttal Brin? That's seems pretty damning. I mean I'm trying to figure out if you're just not invested, because I don't feel like we have infinite passes here. But yeah, you nominated your suspect from the last proposal!
Vote No
I will note that I was willing to roll the dice with cantrip/osie. I'm not sure how willing I am for just osie here. And brinatoo started from behind anyway. I appreciate your thoughts, but it does seem like they have a big problem with consistency
Mind, why are you so quick to jump on that *****ty logic he just proposed? And I agree we don't have infinite passes here. That's why I think it makes the most sense to do as I did.
And for all of the confusion concerning me talking about it failing.... obviously I meant my proposal failing and not the quest.... we are in "double lylo" so if you really think I'm that stupid to talk about it failing in that manner... thanks for the inadvertent diss.
Vaimes and Silver should absolutely be fine. Why is Mind in your "must keep" pile? Are you saying you'll likely keep one of Proph/DV/Shadow? Or all three? And then you only need 2 more...so what's the 3 of remaining 5 about?
Mind proposed a successful Q1 and I believe one of rhand/proph failed Q3 leaving him pretty much lock town for me
Sorry guys, I'm buried at work. I saw that we're taking a small sabbatical and I am reading to keep up.
@Brin - keep it to Q3 + 1, and justify the +1. That's what we need from you.
I'd really prefer to leave Proph out of it(but it might be senseless anyway to assume more than 1 scum on Q3)
So here's my proposal: Vaimes, Rhand, Mindreaver, Prophylaxis, Silvercrys3467, osieorb18
While I remember being skeptical of osie's play/accusations early in the game- my gut is telling me it's their playstyle and not indicative of scumalignment. The only other recommendation I would have if this fails is to swap out for Cantrip maybe? TBH I think it's Proph who failed it and taking them off for cantrip completely would be my best judgement- but I'm also not going to argue a gut-decision vs. logical-decision (a Q+1 is always a better choice statistically)
<b>Shadow kills Meteor</b> (don't lock this in yet)
Haha, free, I'm FREE!!! Seriously, Brin, flavorful as it is, this posting restriction in scum chat is awful! Like, maybe it should have been something like notes I could write and post every 20 min or so with 120 characters. Either way, I think it was an insanely creative way to structure my role whilst also making want to dig my own eyes out with a grapefruit spoon. It seems to have worked out though. About 95% of my posting is done from mobile, which means I have notes on my phone where I write my posts and then copy paste them into the game. For this, I have a note that's an alphabet, and I copy paste each letter into another note to order the words, then copy paste the whole thing. It's an ordeal.
(Love you though Brin, really have loved playing my role)
I thought it could be interesting to see how you crafted your messages in jail chats to form your messages.
@Brin: Thanks for a very enjoyable game. As my running commentary to you hopefully communicated, I was very invested in this game. I'd like to know DV's role, of course. One-name hitlist or two?
DV had to NK rodemy and help participate in the lynch of zomg. So it can be very tricky to pull off (only one shot for NK) and if everyone kept their names to themselves then... yea. I figured it would be reasonable to assume gambits with names would get him lynched but then zomg started claiming stuff up the wazoo too.
That...seems a little weighted in the town's favor. It wouldn't be if the hitman didn't want to take out a mafiate. But then again, scum won, so maybe it's close to balanced after all.
I'm confident it was pretty close to balanced (many vig shots could reduce town numbers real quick)
There's one thing I forgot to change in my notes before I sent out the roles. I was going to make one final adjustment to make the Watcher only be allowed to use his ability on Odd-Nights. I think that would have made it a bit more balanced. The other thing that wasn't integrated was a hidden ability that zomg would unlock on the first night. He would function as the runner for shadow. (Shadow would be able to communicate normally with his members during the night) but since he died from the lynch they never got that.
I'll be taking until tomorrow to make a fair proposal. I'll spoil some things that likely won't change- mind/vaimes/silver not being taken out of my quest proposal and proph/dv/shadow being put on it. So it really just comes down to 3 of remaining 5.
Waiting for the game to officially end because we're polite
BTW, Idk if I ever got your/ophidia's mentor chat? Lol I forgot about it completely until looking at the player list a few days ago. Can yall link that?
Votecount 5 Final
Rhand(1): Iso
Iso(3): Rhand, Cantripmancer, shadowlancerx
Iso has been lynched! They were Reaper, Town Vanilla.
The number of remaining players reach 4. And just like that, Cantripmancer(Torbjorn - Mafia Two Shot Role Cop) and shadowlancerx(Reinhardt - Mafia Jailer) lock eyes and both mow down Huntzilla(Hanzo - Town Neighborizer)/Rhand(Winston - Town Vanilla) with a combination of their ultimate abilities.
Overwatch has dissolved.
Congratulations to D_V for an early win and the mafia team(cantrip/shadow/zomg) for a come-from-behind victory!
Why is there an order to voting btw? I'll make it short and sweet: Proph gross, Mindreaver ye, Silver ye, Vaimes ye, Cantrip sure, Osieorb18 meh so vote: no
Neat way to be worthless.
So nothing to say about the current failure?
It would have been surprising if it passed? That's the hardest one to pass statistically/behaviorially.
Nothing to say about who the proposal should be?
My top 3 hasn't changed- I think Rhand or Proph failed that.
Just more shade attempt.
I already said before that you or shadow failed that other one, but this is just more mudflinging. More reason to ignore you.
While my time is shifting more towards studying, my hosted game is nearing the end so more time should come to this. If my schedule 2 weeks from now was actually now, I'd not have to study as much but my timing is impeccable.
I saw my proposal working out in three likely ways: being widely accepted and pushed, being widely rejected and denied, and being rejected while coupling me with my +1.
I weighed the pros/cons of each and saw the latter 2 being more likely given everyones view of me. Now since I had no idea on my team, I narrowed down my choice to Cantrip/Osie which I had a high suspicion one of them was deepscum but wasn't particularly sure which was which. If Osie was town/scum, my idea was that there would be enough force by my partners who were townread to push an agenda against it or for it (I was right
My guess before gameover for who Merlin was was Osie or AG because there was a few instances from each where it felt like a "all-knowing" player.
^
Let me go over again numbers since you appear to be flinging mud on the whole situation. The DV proposal was Prophylaxis, Mindreaver, Silvercrys3467, Vaimes, Cantripmancer, osieorb18. Osie AND Cantrip are new variables and Rhand was removed from the equation. With my proposal I'm asking either Osie OR Cantrip as only ONE NEW VARIABLE!
And for all of the confusion concerning me talking about it failing.... obviously I meant my proposal failing and not the quest.... we are in "double lylo" so if you really think I'm that stupid to talk about it failing in that manner... thanks for the inadvertent diss.
So here's my proposal: Vaimes, Rhand, Mindreaver, Prophylaxis, Silvercrys3467, osieorb18
While I remember being skeptical of osie's play/accusations early in the game- my gut is telling me it's their playstyle and not indicative of scumalignment. The only other recommendation I would have if this fails is to swap out for Cantrip maybe? TBH I think it's Proph who failed it and taking them off for cantrip completely would be my best judgement- but I'm also not going to argue a gut-decision vs. logical-decision (a Q+1 is always a better choice statistically)
I'm confident it was pretty close to balanced (many vig shots could reduce town numbers real quick)
There's one thing I forgot to change in my notes before I sent out the roles. I was going to make one final adjustment to make the Watcher only be allowed to use his ability on Odd-Nights. I think that would have made it a bit more balanced. The other thing that wasn't integrated was a hidden ability that zomg would unlock on the first night. He would function as the runner for shadow. (Shadow would be able to communicate normally with his members during the night) but since he died from the lynch they never got that.
red_0mega and scarbo were replaced upon request.
Atogaholic and kittythegoddess were forcibly replaced.
Mafia Chat: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/cuggXuUYSnAy6
Jail chats are linked in mafia chat (night 1 was a big influence on this game)
Neighborhood Chat: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/KVF6XakvknjL
More after I take my test tomorrow but I wanted yall to start talking
Rhand(1): Iso
Iso(3): Rhand, Cantripmancer, shadowlancerx
Iso has been lynched! They were Reaper, Town Vanilla.
The number of remaining players reach 4. And just like that, Cantripmancer(Torbjorn - Mafia Two Shot Role Cop) and shadowlancerx(Reinhardt - Mafia Jailer) lock eyes and both mow down Huntzilla(Hanzo - Town Neighborizer)/Rhand(Winston - Town Vanilla) with a combination of their ultimate abilities.
Overwatch has dissolved.
Congratulations to D_V for an early win and the mafia team(cantrip/shadow/zomg) for a come-from-behind victory!
My top 3 hasn't changed- I think Rhand or Proph failed that.
I already said before that you or shadow failed that other one, but this is just more mudflinging. More reason to ignore you.
While my time is shifting more towards studying, my hosted game is nearing the end so more time should come to this. If my schedule 2 weeks from now was actually now, I'd not have to study as much but my timing is impeccable.