Would Molten Vortex/Seismic Assault actually be better than Grim Lavamancer especially in 25 land build? My problem with Grim Lavamancer is that it doesn’t have haste and it’s ability requires you to tap it, so you can only activate it once a turn.
Liliana the Last Hope is amazing! I am going up to two at the 75. Elf and Merfolk players still have night mares of her. Having both Liliana walkers down feels like cheating
On the other hands Finks haven't impressed me that much. I prefer Brutality as Burn hate and for grind games I like Last Hope or a 3rd Command and Hazoret more...
What do you side in for burn other than brutality?
So, I'm unsure about what a sideboard in an open field should look like.
Burn feels so bad that I want to play 3x Collective Brutality and 2x Kitchen Finks in the side, with my reasoning also being against Jund mirrors and other grindy decks where Kitchen Finks shines.
However, it's led me only having room for 1x Grafdigger's Cage and 1x Nihil Spellbomb
I'm unsure what to cut. 3x Scooze and 2x sideboard hate doesn't feel like enough, but there's more midrange, control and burn cropping up to warrant the mix of CB and Finks.
I'm experimenting with 24 lands with 1x Thoughtseize in the main for it's place.
Definitely at a loss for what's right.
no wrath in your side? And how have that 2nd last hope been for you?
Currently this is the list I came up with after reading (almost) everyone’s post. Tried it a few game and although with 24 lands, I’m don’t have any problem casting those 8x 3cmc + 4 BBE and never have problem with the land configuration. Not sure if I missed out anything but the deck feels fine. I do however hope to find slot for at least another spellbomb, lily last hope, kitchen finks and maybe a 2nd wrath either in damnation or flaying tendrils in the sideboard. I also felt like dropping one bolt for another fatal push in the main too. I guess until Master Reid Duke enlighten us with his new list as well as when the meta have settled down, we will not be able to settle on a real standard list for BBE jund.
Anyway, If i have a liliana of the veil on the field and opponent have a creature, should I cast BBE 1st or should I activate lily veil ability 1st? And should I + or - her? We are running 4 lily veil, there is definitely a chance of cascading into another lily veil while there’s also a chance of hitting a removal too, so I’m not sure.. which should be the correct play? Because of this, I’m thinking of dropping lily veil to 3 and MD 2 lily last hope, opening a slot in the side for maybe a singleton Grim Lavamancer or 2nd Kitchen Finks.
And what do everyone think what the metagame will be like? with jtms unban, I’m expecting there’s going to be a lot of uw miracle and grixis control with so many trying to break modern with jtms.. at least for the next month or so? After that maybe there might even be jeskai miracle or even esper control emerging? That’s my guess..
That seems like a lot of red sources of mana for just BBE. I really don't like Blackcleave cliffs over Blooming Marsh when you literally cannot spend red mana on turns 1-3.
I agree there’s a lot of red source, but it’s not just for BBE, need red for raging ravine too. I’m thinking of 2-2 or 1-3 blackcleave cliffs and blooming marsh split.. still unsure which would be correct..
Is SCG modern open a good indication of the metagame? Jarine is playing 2 Decay and no terminate..
What do you side in for burn other than brutality?
Creature [15]
4x Bloodbraid Elf
4x Dark Confidant
3x Scavenging Ooze
4x Tarmogoyf
Planeswalker [4]
4x Liliana of the Veil
Instant [10]
1x Abrupt Decay
2x Fatal Push
2x Kolaghan’s Command
4x Lightning Bolt
1x Terminate
Sorcery [7]
1x Dreadbore
3x Inquisition of Kozilek
1x Maelstrom Pulse
2x Thoughtseize
1x Forest
1x Mountain
2x Swamp
3x Blackcleave Cliffs
1x Blood Crypt
4x Bloodstained Mire
2x Overgrown Tomb
3x Raging Ravine
1x Stomping Ground
1x Twilight Mire
4x Verdant Catacombs
1x Wooded Foothills
1x Grafdigger’s Cage
3x Fulminator Mage
1x Kitchen Finks
1x Destructive Revelry
1x Rakdos Charm
2x Surgical Extraction
1x Liliana, the Last Hope
3x Collective Brutality
1x Maelstrom Pulse
1x Thoughtseize
This is what I’m playing right now..
no wrath in your side? And how have that 2nd last hope been for you?
Creature [14]
4x Bloodbraid Elf
4x Dark Confidant
2x Scavenging Ooze
4x Tarmogoyf
Planeswalker [5]
4x Liliana of the Veil
1x Liliana, the Last Hope
Instant [11]
2x Abrupt Decay
1x Fatal Push
2x Kolaghan’s Command
4x Lightning Bolt
2x Terminate
Sorcery [6]
3x Inquisition of Kozilek
1x Maelstrom Pulse
2x Thoughtseize
1x Forest
1x Mountain
2x Swamp
3x Blackcleave Cliffs
1x Blood Crypt
4x Bloodstained Mire
1x Blooming Marsh
2x Overgrown Tomb
3x Raging Ravine
1x Stomping Ground
4x Verdant Catacombs
1x Wooded Foothills
1x Grafdigger’s Cage
1x Nihil Spellbomb
3x Fulminator Mage
1x Grim Lavamancer
2x Ancient Grudge
3x Collective Brutality
1x Damnation
1x Flaying Tendrils
1x Maelstrom Pulse
1x Thoughtseize
Currently this is the list I came up with after reading (almost) everyone’s post. Tried it a few game and although with 24 lands, I’m don’t have any problem casting those 8x 3cmc + 4 BBE and never have problem with the land configuration. Not sure if I missed out anything but the deck feels fine. I do however hope to find slot for at least another spellbomb, lily last hope, kitchen finks and maybe a 2nd wrath either in damnation or flaying tendrils in the sideboard. I also felt like dropping one bolt for another fatal push in the main too. I guess until Master Reid Duke enlighten us with his new list as well as when the meta have settled down, we will not be able to settle on a real standard list for BBE jund.
Creature [14]
4x Bloodbraid Elf
4x Dark Confidant
2x Scavenging Ooze
4x Tarmogoyf
Planeswalker [5]
4x Liliana of the Veil
1x Liliana, the Last Hope
Instant [10]
1x Abrupt Decay
1x Fatal Push
3x Kolaghan’s Command
4x Lightning Bolt
1x Terminate
Sorcery [7]
2x Inquisition of Kozilek
2x Maelstrom Pulse
3x Thoughtseize
1x Forest
2x Swamp
4x Blackcleave Cliffs
1x Blood Crypt
4x Bloodstained Mire
2x Overgrown Tomb
3x Raging Ravine
1x Stomping Ground
1x Twilight Mire
4x Verdant Catacombs
1x Wooded Foothills
2x Nihil Spellbomb
3x Fulminator Mage
1x Kitchen Finks
2x Ancient Grudge
2x Surgical Extraction
1x Liliana, the Last Hope
3x Collective Brutality
1x Damnation
I’m probably going to try something like this..
Anyway, If i have a liliana of the veil on the field and opponent have a creature, should I cast BBE 1st or should I activate lily veil ability 1st? And should I + or - her? We are running 4 lily veil, there is definitely a chance of cascading into another lily veil while there’s also a chance of hitting a removal too, so I’m not sure.. which should be the correct play? Because of this, I’m thinking of dropping lily veil to 3 and MD 2 lily last hope, opening a slot in the side for maybe a singleton Grim Lavamancer or 2nd Kitchen Finks.
And what do everyone think what the metagame will be like? with jtms unban, I’m expecting there’s going to be a lot of uw miracle and grixis control with so many trying to break modern with jtms.. at least for the next month or so? After that maybe there might even be jeskai miracle or even esper control emerging? That’s my guess..
Kcommand is in the side.
I agree there’s a lot of red source, but it’s not just for BBE, need red for raging ravine too. I’m thinking of 2-2 or 1-3 blackcleave cliffs and blooming marsh split.. still unsure which would be correct..