I'd personally drop the Gideon and Elspeth for 2 more Lillys - Lilly is just insanely more powerful than both of them and is a 3 mana win con herself against a lot of decks. Elspeth is so expensive and you're already doing well against grindy strategies with Souls and Nahiri. Gideon just turns on opponent's Paths that would otherwise be dead.
I'd also drop the Pias - with Walls and Souls, you're really trying to ideally go Turn 1 interaction (Discard or Bolt), turn 2 interaction or Wall, turn 3 Souls or Lilly, and turn 4 Nahiri. There just aren't many decks that can beat that line. Wall is a great T2 play that sets up a nice defense for your win cons of Nahiri and Lilly.
I agree with you on Lilly's I think 3-4 is where this should be, I just only own 2 right now, so I am dropping both Gideon and Elspeth as both underperformed and for now am going with 2 restoration angel, as for PK I completely disagree that card has been a haymaker almost overtime I play it, and face it not every game curves out T1, 1 drop, T2 wall, 3 Souls, 4 Nahiri, in fact that prob happens around 20% of games, and PK gives me another win condition combine with souls and vents to beat with. Also remember time can be a factor if you don't land the quick nahiri win and PK can end the game effectively, and even when PK eats a bolt or whatever I still have 2 1/1 flyers to help beat or block for nahiri and lily. Really if it wasn't a legend I'd run 3.
You guys are looking at it wrong. Liliana and the other planeswalkers serve a completely different role. Liliana is great against control and combo but against aggro and midrange, you want something else. Sometimes your removal doesn't line up well with your opponents or your opponents derive more value in redundancy and cards like Company/ Chord. This is when Lingering Souls doesn't do enough on its own.
Elspeth is a bit too much for 6-mana. But one crazy idea is to jam a bunch of Batterskulls in the deck. Of course, Kolaghan's Command is terrible but Jund only runs 2 and you can easily discard copies of it. Not as great games 2 and 3 with all the artifact hate but you can side them out for something else if your opponent has Ancient Grudge. You just want something that can both stabilize and put a clock.
I've tested Nahiri online and my general feeling is encapsulated in one word: inconsistent. I don't even think Jeskai Nahiri is as competitive as it seems and that to me has fared better against most of the meta with Snapcaster Mage + Serum Visions outweighing the value of white cards.
I've played Jeskai and this, and I think Nahiri is much better in this shell, and I really think there is potential here and that some slots still need testing before I am willing to go one way or the other on this deck. The fact is with PK I have won several games with that in games where I couldn't just Nahiri for the win. I'm not 100% on how many lily's we should run main but I figure at least 2 and 3-4 is very possible, maybe more sweepers main in agree metas is a good idea as well.
I'd personally drop the Gideon and Elspeth for 2 more Lillys - Lilly is just insanely more powerful than both of them and is a 3 mana win con herself against a lot of decks. Elspeth is so expensive and you're already doing well against grindy strategies with Souls and Nahiri. Gideon just turns on opponent's Paths that would otherwise be dead.
I'd also drop the Pias - with Walls and Souls, you're really trying to ideally go Turn 1 interaction (Discard or Bolt), turn 2 interaction or Wall, turn 3 Souls or Lilly, and turn 4 Nahiri. There just aren't many decks that can beat that line. Wall is a great T2 play that sets up a nice defense for your win cons of Nahiri and Lilly.
I agree with you on Lilly's I think 3-4 is where this should be, I just only own 2 right now, so I am dropping both Gideon and Elspeth as both underperformed and for now am going with 2 restoration angel, as for PK I completely disagree that card has been a haymaker almost overtime I play it, and face it not every game curves out T1, 1 drop, T2 wall, 3 Souls, 4 Nahiri, in fact that prob happens around 20% of games, and PK gives me another win condition combine with souls and vents to beat with. Also remember time can be a factor if you don't land the quick nahiri win and PK can end the game effectively, and even when PK eats a bolt or whatever I still have 2 1/1 flyers to help beat or block for nahiri and lily. Really if it wasn't a legend I'd run 3.
If Nahiri was the amazing nuclear bomb she is being made out to be, you'd expect to see even 1 copy somewhere in some top 8. This isn't the case, however and bodes pretty ill for durdle decks in general. Well, WotC was pretty upfront about how they want modern to be like.
Nahiri has made Top 8 in several Modern Opens, GP's I can't say for sure off top of my head.
Not that we want to go any further back, because we're playing in the meta now, not the meta before July.
*Modern Open as you claim, or GP or 3* event and above.
On 8-20-2016, a Mardu Nahiri deck T8 SCG Open in Somerset, granted it's not the more common Jeskai version, but your statement was Nahiri decks, look I'm not saying it's the best deck either one they aren't but it isn't trash either, Nahiri also was in several decks making a lot of T16's and T32's at Gp's and such.
Maybe instead of trying to argue on the really specific things and semantics, you could take the operative meaning of my post which is: Control is in a bad way.
Do you agree or disagree with this or not?
Are you trying to say control in modern in general is in a tough spot? or that you think it's outright bad? I agree it's tough for control decks in modern right now, but I do think Nahiri has actually helped a bit, so has the unbanning of AV, but overall the linear Aggro decks are at an advantage overall in the format and the numbers bear that out, with Midrange and combo sprinkled in as well as a bit of control.
If Nahiri was the amazing nuclear bomb she is being made out to be, you'd expect to see even 1 copy somewhere in some top 8. This isn't the case, however and bodes pretty ill for durdle decks in general. Well, WotC was pretty upfront about how they want modern to be like.
Nahiri has made Top 8 in several Modern Opens, GP's I can't say for sure off top of my head.
Not that we want to go any further back, because we're playing in the meta now, not the meta before July.
*Modern Open as you claim, or GP or 3* event and above.
On 8-20-2016, a Mardu Nahiri deck T8 SCG Open in Somerset, granted it's not the more common Jeskai version, but your statement was Nahiri decks, look I'm not saying it's the best deck either one they aren't but it isn't trash either, Nahiri also was in several decks making a lot of T16's and T32's at Gp's and such.
If Nahiri was the amazing nuclear bomb she is being made out to be, you'd expect to see even 1 copy somewhere in some top 8. This isn't the case, however and bodes pretty ill for durdle decks in general. Well, WotC was pretty upfront about how they want modern to be like.
Nahiri has made Top 8 in several Modern Opens, GP's I can't say for sure off top of my head.
@Vegas10 What are you gonna get with Nahiri? I don't like putting Emrakul in my deck too and people at my LGS keep on insisting I get Emrakul. My build only consists of 2 Nahiris and I get Obzedat if necessary. I guess I don't plan on making a Nahiri Emrakul deck in the long run. I'm still playing around the Mardu Control build though and I hope we get something better to put in it
So I ran this Mardu Nahiri list at FNM last night been tweaking this deck for about a month still have a few slots in main and board that I am undecided on.
Any thoughts would be appreciated will write up more details on matches later but I won, Beating Mardu Tokens, Bant Eldrazi and Jeskai Nahiri. 3 Flex spots in deck right now are Gideon, Elspeth, Painful, were Darkdweleers in past, Also 1st time using walls they were better than expected use to be Night's Whispers. SB still undecided on Ajani's and Zealous for sure. Deck ran pretty smother only mulled to 6, 2 times never to 5
Ajani isn't that impactful in my opinion, especially for a 4-mana card. It's better to just run Kalitas as additional dredge/ coco hate and life stabilizer against aggro. I don't like Nahiri that much but if I was running her, I just don't see the cons of running 1 Emrakul. It's the fastest way for this deck to win and probably the only way you can race combo. If you're not running Emrakul, there are better planeswalkers like Gideon AZ which single-handedly wins me games.
I am running Emrakul forgot to list him this morning
So I ran this Mardu Nahiri list at FNM last night been tweaking this deck for about a month still have a few slots in main and board that I am undecided on.
Any thoughts would be appreciated will write up more details on matches later but I won, Beating Mardu Tokens, Bant Eldrazi and Jeskai Nahiri. 3 Flex spots in deck right now are Gideon, Elspeth, Painful, were Darkdweleers in past, Also 1st time using walls they were better than expected use to be Night's Whispers. SB still undecided on Ajani's and Zealous for sure. Deck ran pretty smother only mulled to 6, 2 times never to 5
Basing enitre meta on one small tourney even if it is worlds is silly, in that event players tend to pick what they like for modern especially since its a multi format tourney, also small sample size should obviously apply here.
So the new Thalia looks interesting for us, doesn't it? Blockers enter tapped and Geist can be more effective. Can slow down Tron and combo decks. It's good with flash creatures 'cause you can still untap them. Not saying it will necessarily make the cut though, 'cause Clique and Geist himself compete for that CMC3 creature spot. Maybe it can replace something else.
Hmmm.. problem is it will feel awful when it just eats a bolt, that being said I do think it could have good applications in some matches, I could see it as a possible sideboard card and in the right meta maindeckable.
I find it interesting to see that there also seems to be no consensus amnongst the pros on whether to run Serum Visions, Ancestral Vision, both or none.
Gerry Thompson for example runs 8 Visions in his MOCS list
Of the lists shown on the SCG stream, one seemed not to include any Ancestral Vision (first one shown, forgot the players name, Round 4 vs BW Pox)
Jim Davis has been running some amount of serum vision (i think) in the main and 2 Ancestral Vision in the Sideboard. His current score is 6-2.
The current highest (known) Jeskai Nahiri player at 7-1, Pete Ingram, is running some amount of Ancestral Vision in the main, not clear on whether he runs any Serum Visions aswell.
Can´t wait to see the day 2 metagame breakdown, expecting a fair share of Jeskai to have made it.
I have been playing Jeskai GST for sometime now and with the Eldrazi Menace bashing everyone, I have started to side Verdicts and ***'s. Other than this I want to revist the age old question of which is better? Mana Leak or Remand? I just want 4 counters and I feel Remand is soo bad againts Robots and Infect which is subsequently good vs Eldrazi.
I feel Remand in the current environment isn't very good, Mana Leak is much better against decks like burn, infect, and Affinity, as well as Eldrazi. If your local meta is more Tron and Midrange than Remand is likely better. I am also going to try a set of Spreading Seas to help disrupt Eldrazi, Tron, and Get Man lands in decks like affinity and infect that can be problematic, and even in subpar matchups at least it cantrips game 1.
In regards to the Eldrazi Deck, do we need to give a little time to see if the Meta can adjust in a non warping way to handle the new Eldrazi decks? yes, is it likely that will happen? no because the fact is the deck has 8 virtual sol rings, 4 of which are also repeatable tutors, The fact is this kind of power advantage concepts are for Legacy and Vintage, not modern, and please stop the unbanning talks, really we had a very healthy Modern format since the Pod banning, was Bloom Titan a bit of an issue, yes but because most players couldn't play it well consistently it never put up the crazy numbers it should have, I think it's more likely than not that both Eye and Temple get the axe, and if it is only 1 Eye is the bigger offender.
Yeah, really meant I just think Pia and Kiran is much better against those especially affinity. And I just feel Cliques hasn't been as good for me lately but still like having 1 in the deck for now.
I've played Jeskai and this, and I think Nahiri is much better in this shell, and I really think there is potential here and that some slots still need testing before I am willing to go one way or the other on this deck. The fact is with PK I have won several games with that in games where I couldn't just Nahiri for the win. I'm not 100% on how many lily's we should run main but I figure at least 2 and 3-4 is very possible, maybe more sweepers main in agree metas is a good idea as well.
I agree with you on Lilly's I think 3-4 is where this should be, I just only own 2 right now, so I am dropping both Gideon and Elspeth as both underperformed and for now am going with 2 restoration angel, as for PK I completely disagree that card has been a haymaker almost overtime I play it, and face it not every game curves out T1, 1 drop, T2 wall, 3 Souls, 4 Nahiri, in fact that prob happens around 20% of games, and PK gives me another win condition combine with souls and vents to beat with. Also remember time can be a factor if you don't land the quick nahiri win and PK can end the game effectively, and even when PK eats a bolt or whatever I still have 2 1/1 flyers to help beat or block for nahiri and lily. Really if it wasn't a legend I'd run 3.
Are you trying to say control in modern in general is in a tough spot? or that you think it's outright bad? I agree it's tough for control decks in modern right now, but I do think Nahiri has actually helped a bit, so has the unbanning of AV, but overall the linear Aggro decks are at an advantage overall in the format and the numbers bear that out, with Midrange and combo sprinkled in as well as a bit of control.
On 8-20-2016, a Mardu Nahiri deck T8 SCG Open in Somerset, granted it's not the more common Jeskai version, but your statement was Nahiri decks, look I'm not saying it's the best deck either one they aren't but it isn't trash either, Nahiri also was in several decks making a lot of T16's and T32's at Gp's and such.
Nahiri has made Top 8 in several Modern Opens, GP's I can't say for sure off top of my head.
I am running Emrakul
I am running Emrakul forgot to list him this morning
2x Liliana of the Veil
1x Gideon Jura
1x Elspeth, Sun's Champion
4x Lightning Bolt
3x Path to Exile
2x Terminate
1x Dreadbore
4x Inquisition of Kozilek
2x Thoughtseize
1x Painful Truths
4x Lingering Souls
4x Wall of Omens
2x Pia and Kiran Nalaar
1x Emrakul The Aeons Torn
3x Arid Mesa
3x Bloodstained Mire
3x Marsh Flats
3x Blackcleave Cliffs
3x Shambling Vents
1x Lavaclaw Reeches
1x Godless Shrine
1x Blood Crypt
1x Sacred Foundry
1x Vault of the Archangel
2x Mountain
1x Swamp
1x Plains
1x Clifftop Retreat
2x Ajani Vengeant
2x Anger of the Gods
2x Timley Reinforcements
2x Kor Firewalker
1x Zealous Persecution
2x Stony Silence
2x Rest in Peace
1x Celestial Purge
1x Wear/Tear
Any thoughts would be appreciated will write up more details on matches later but I won, Beating Mardu Tokens, Bant Eldrazi and Jeskai Nahiri. 3 Flex spots in deck right now are Gideon, Elspeth, Painful, were Darkdweleers in past, Also 1st time using walls they were better than expected use to be Night's Whispers. SB still undecided on Ajani's and Zealous for sure. Deck ran pretty smother only mulled to 6, 2 times never to 5
Basing enitre meta on one small tourney even if it is worlds is silly, in that event players tend to pick what they like for modern especially since its a multi format tourney, also small sample size should obviously apply here.
Hmmm.. problem is it will feel awful when it just eats a bolt, that being said I do think it could have good applications in some matches, I could see it as a possible sideboard card and in the right meta maindeckable.
He was running AV in the board, and 4 Serum main
I feel Remand in the current environment isn't very good, Mana Leak is much better against decks like burn, infect, and Affinity, as well as Eldrazi. If your local meta is more Tron and Midrange than Remand is likely better. I am also going to try a set of Spreading Seas to help disrupt Eldrazi, Tron, and Get Man lands in decks like affinity and infect that can be problematic, and even in subpar matchups at least it cantrips game 1.