The deck makes a lot of mana but not much Red, which is why I couldn't run Obsidian Fireheart but the Captivating Crew don't require much Red, only a lot of mana. They can certainly end the game if left unmolested, also they have an immediate impact unlike the Fireheart or Occultist. I knew the Occultist was weak, more of a flex slot, and so it gets the axe.
Primal Order has put me in a pickle a few times, such as knowing it will kill me before I can kill the table. Also, some decks just don't really take a lot of damage from it. In its place, another 'win the game' card in the form of Mob Rule. Also, an immediate impact and a large enough one that I think it's worth Thar's temper, especially if I snag some life gain Creatures.
The deck has been leaning a little more Red for awhile now, so swapping one Basic.
Serra Ascendant is great and synergizes with Gahiji's triggered ability. Courser just didn't gain me enough life; I also feel like I have enough draw so I'm cutting this piece.
Leonin Warleader's tokens were underwhelming. Mob Rule, if resolved and unmolested, should end the game for me.
The thing that first strikes me is that your deck doesn't have enough draw. You need to keep drawing so those Wraths don't hurt as bad or set you back as much. This is why my Marchesa, the Black Rose has so much draw despite getting my Creatures back - I am going to take casualties and I need to be ale to keep playing Creatures. Unfortunately, Boros means you need to get Creative. Smuggler's Copter improves your card quality, Prophetic Flamespeaker and Stromkirk Occultist give you Impulsive Draw. Normally, I would dedicate Outpost Siege to this spot but your deck wants to turn sideways, it would be hard to justify giving your opponent's a breather. Grenzo, Havoc Raiser gives pseudo-draw but more importantly, Goad makes people attack each other. This means you have less life you need to chew through, more peoples' Creatures are tapped so it gets easier to keep getting in and he has a natural synergy with Iroas' Menace.
Other ways to save your board: Scapegoat, you use lots of tokens so this will be easy and it's low to the ground to save you. Teferi's Protection if you got the money for it. Ghostway and Eerie Interlude can help saving your board.
You also need to cut down the board quickly: Throne of the God-Pharaoh would help with how much your board turns sideways. Oketra's Monument makes your White Creatures cheaper and spews out more bodies. They can also block due to Vigilance, so you can getting into trade wars and come ahead. I think this is better than Assemble the Legion, I've never made a deck that could work with Legion. Mirror Entity gives you something to do with all of the mana you have, helps you close out the game and dodges Exile Wraths when you pay 0 in response. Repercussion will make Blocks irrelevant, so this might be worth testing, but that might move you more towards a "Saboteur" Build. Boros Garrison is a low opportunity cost way to increase your damage output when you have spare mana in the late game.
It does sound like you don't want to use Impact Tremors and Purphoros, God of the Forge but they are a very reliable way to kill the board with the amount of bodies your deck spews out.
I find it hilarious that you loved Meglonoth, that's a card I wanted to use for a hot second before I put my inner bad player back in the box.
It's both good and bad that Bolas's Citadel was so good. Good, because I immediately wanted to put it in everything; bad, because it'll be expensive and might even be ban worthy? Do you find that the Citadel hits that bannable point?
The deck seems very interesting! How has testing all the recent changes been coming along?
It is interesting. I thought the idea was kind of stupid but funny so I decided to build it. The deck has surprised me quite a few times. A lot of the Planeswalker Ults catch people off guard because I'm essentially playing Superfriends without the Superfriends package, so a lot of my deck gets randomly underestimated. Though once they realize what is happening, it gets harder to defend, which is why I'm making a few more changes.
Twilight Drover is a pet card I've had since forever. I figure this would be the perfect deck to use it in. I already have synergy with Orzhov Advokist. The deck produces random tokens and the Drover doesn't care whose Creature tokens leave the battlefield, he grows. He makes Flying tokens which will help my deck block from flying attacks, block for my Planeswalkers and 3/1 Fliers aren't anything to sneeze at. Dragonmaster Outcast has a lot of hoops for only a linear growth, while the Drover has a lot more possibilities.
Glorybringer has kind of been a disappointment. The Soulbinders can be huge, so they can get in without too much of a scare and can Block well. Again, they make Flying tokens so my face and Planeswalkers are protected on D, and 3/1s are a pain to deal with on offence.
I've noticed my Sun Titan whiff a few times as of late, so I'm axing it for a curve slimmer in the form of Leonin Warleader. If the tokens survive the next turn, 3/1 Lifelink will help raise my health.
Path of Mettle is fun but kind of bad. I've axed it for a serious source of card draw, especially with all of the X/1 token makers I've just added. Dragon Broodmother also makes 1/1s that I can feed to the Clamp. I guess this means I should probably look into having Mentor of the Meek return.
Other token makers I thought of using were Hero of Bladehold, as she also pumps my team. I went against that because my Commander already does the pump, I don't really need that redundancy. If I need to flatten my curve further, there's always Hanweir Garrison but I don't just want generic 1/1s. Another direction I thought of taking the deck is using a shell of my Trostani, Selesnya's Voice deck, that way I have another Creature that has a good tap effect on an EOT and another way to gain life so I don't accidentally die to some random AOEs. But building that will take up a lot of slots, I think I would need to drop the Planeswalker package and considering Superfriends is new territory to me, I'd rather not.
There was something off about the deck. It felt powerful because it was resilient and could answer numerous threats but would frequently lost if it went to heads up. I tried to figure out why and my theory is that the deck didn't have enough Haymakers. I joke about my Jodah deck as 'Haymaker Tribal' and despite it having an intentionally terrible mana base, it frequently wins in heads up. This deck frequently gets a lot of mana, between the ramp, doublers and searchers, so I can easily afford the Haymakers. This is the change to add some end game bite to the deck:
Wayward Swordtooth is better late and early, especially if I keep up steady draw, compared to Farhaven Elf.
Considering the amount of nonbasics this deck uses, Knight of the Reliquary seems like a no-brainer. Especially since early game it can fetch my Ramp lands and late it can get Emeria, the Sky Ruin for recursion, Kor Haven for Safety or Rogue's Passage to punch in. Stoneforge Mystic only hs two targets after this update, so I figure another deck will probably gladly pick her up.
Grand Abolisher and Conqueror's Flail are artifacts of when the deck was Saboteur Tribal. They made sure I could get in for my triggers as people would mess with my combat step. My theory is that now that I'm using more Haymakers, I don't need to protect my combat step as people are going to have to innately answer my Creatures. In their place is Kalitas for grave hate and general badassery and Gitrog for draw, ramp and a sizable body.
Selfless Spirit protected my board, but I didn't really feel the effect that well. I'm putting in Tendershoot Dryad. In fact, I was astonished to find out my list didn't have a Tendershoot. That thing is bonkers, in goes another Haymaker.
Karlov was difficult to manage, I didn't gain enough life. Or rather, the deck would gain huge chunks but he prefers a steady stream of little instances. Archangel of Thune goes in as a way to give my deck more ways to end the game, as I found that a small Tymna the Weaver holds back my ability to win. As she grows in size, I no longer go parity or take damage to draw cards, it becomes draw and gain. That's when I frequently feel like the deck is in good shape. Thune will let my team of haymakers grow.
Vizkopa Guildmage was just good for a single combo finish and that's it. With removing of two-thirds of the 'protect my combat step', she became less of an attractive option. Sheoldred is definitely a Haymaker that puts a clock on the board.
Kambal slowly drained my opponents but I couldn't really take advantage of his Shocks. Archfiend of Despair will certainly end my opponents and is an example of these Haymakers I am talking about.
With a lot of the cuts, Sun Titan loses a lot of things to recur, so he gets the axe. This is probably a mistake but I've noticed over a few games that he very rarely recurred things lately. I had a lot of nonpermanents or things costing over 4 in my graveyard. With the deck's curve going up, I thought it was unlikely he would get better. In his place is Razaketh, who will fetch me whatever I need to win the game, in addition to being a Flampler.
Krosan Grip hasn't been doing much lately and I knew I was going to replace it with a piece of Ramp. This is where Temple of the False God comes in. Temple isn't a Land, it's a Ramp piece. That way when I see my hand, I don't see a Land but a Cultivate or Pir's Whim. You're not going to get mad at either of those spells for keeping a crappy hand and be unable to Ramp but that's the frequent mistake people make with Temple. With the addition of Knight of the Reliquary, I can also fetch it, especially since I've caused this deck's curve to jump up.
With all of the Black I've added, I cut a bunch of the utility lands and added in Swamps. Urborg will help with the Quad Black of Phage the Untouchable, triple Black of Razaketh and many double. Plus Urborg enables Sheoldred's Swampwalk. I didn't need the Hall of the Bandit Lord, a lot of the time the ETBT clause made it an unattractive land drop, so then it was never ready when I wanted to surprise one-shot a player with Phage. Gavony Township's goal of making things big is nice, but I rather have the coloured mana for the moment.
I do think there's going to be quite a few shuffles as I know some of the cards that I put in synergize with cards I've cut. Time to play and figure that out.
Obsidian Fireheart would require the deck to go much more Red for me to reliably use it which is disappointing. I would love to light lands on fire but I don't have enough mana of the correct colour to cast or use the Fireheart regularly. In its stead, Yeva goes in to give my deck a bit more interactivity. I don't need to tap out on my turn when I play my fatties, which is nice. This means I can suddenly flash in another support card that my opponents weren't expecting to ruin their lives; such as Spellbreaker Behemoth for Counter backup or Spearbreaker Behemoth to quickly make Ruric Thar indestructible.
I've lost too many games where I couldn't punch in and lost Ruric Thar to his 'must attack' clause. Considering the deck has various ways to pump him, he can even be a two or three turn clock, but only if he gets in. Rogue's Passage goes in as a low opportunity cost to provide unblockability and I think it's potential utility passes the Primal Order test of taking 1 each turn for it.
Blasphemous Act is good for how cheap it is; however, I want something that hits more. Urza's Ruinous Blast keeps my Planeswalkers safe, keeps my Commander on board and can be fetched by Captain Sisay. I think there's more synergy in Blast than Act for this deck, though I am going to miss my one mana panic button.
Shifting Shadow is great in a different build, such as Midrange or Aristocrat, because you can protect the Enchantment plus you're attempting to build value. While my deck looks similar to Lokotor's due to the low-to-the-ground curve nature, but he's going more Aristocrat while I'm going more RDW. When I cast a noncreature spell, it has to have a huge impact for the amount of pressure I am taking off of the board. Unfortunately, Shifting Shadow doesn't. I don't like Prophetic Flamespeaker but it is the same CMC and I did like it when it was in the deck. It's the best I've got for now, the Flamespeaker is definitely earmarked for a cut.
Sheoldred costs too much, even if her effect is very powerful. Kraum has evasion and Haste which is a desirable trait in an Aggro build. I want continual draw which Kraum does provide and not the hatred that Sheoldred draws.
Consecrated Sphinx also draws a lot of hate for not much of a payoff. In a control deck, your hand being fuelled by the Sphinx pulls you way ahead. Considering this deck taps out most of the time, I am not really benefiting from the extra cards. I get choked off by the amount of cards compared to the deck's throughput. In its place is another card I'm taking from Lotokor's Marchesa build. I'm not too fond of it either but I need CMC shaving. Another earmark for the next card that gets printed to replace this.
You would need more Deserts for Scavenger Grounds to repeatedly wipe graveyards. Sacrifice is a cost, so it would be in your Graveyard by the time the Activated Ability resolves, exiling it.
I am not a fan of Ghostly Prison because the only defence is easily overcome if someone pays to attack you, which they will do if it is profitable. Sphere of Safety might be worth it, but that's just pushing my mana curve even more upwards. Mystic Barrier is an interesting solution I hadn't thought of before, I'll think about tracking it down.
With my mana curve trending upwards, I realized I might need to put in more Ramp. I like going Lands only because they don't get randomly destroyed by all sorts of effects like Rock Ramp does. Perhaps I should put Burnished Hart back into the deck.
My deck would lose when I would get a lot of Enchantments out and then someone would Wrath them away. Cloudstone Curio and Remove Enchantments should help with this. I would frequently got pecked to death, so I am throwing up some major "Do Not Attack Me" with Teysa, Michiko, Dread and Aurification. Other ways I would die is I would try to Wrath, one of the players would use a Heroic Intervention variant and out of all of the vulnerable decks I would frequently be the one who would be Alpha Strike'd off of the table. I'm putting in Angel of the Dire Hour, Comeuppance and Settle the Wreckage as a way to severely punish anyone who tries that. Martyr's Bond is just another way to make people think twice before swinging into me. I am hoping this carapace of spicy defence will let the deck sit there in peace and accumulate Experience.
I cut what I felt like I could do without the most. Not sure if it is right or wrong, but putting in this Nuclear Package is costly.
Courser gives pseudo-draw and life gain, so it was the closest analogue to Shamanic Revelation. Courser also has a big butt for Blocks to protect my Planeswalkers.
Hull Breach as a Sorcery isn't that interesting, the Heretic will enjoy the deck's theme and will give me something to do on an end step. Also, big butt.
Farhaven Elf is a one-time Ramp, Wayward Swordtooth can help with extra land drops.
Not enough Creatures triggered Garruk's Packleader, though some of the Creatures could be absolutely absurd draw-wise like Kazull, Tyrant of the Cliffs' Ogres or Tendershoot Dryad's Saprolings. In its place is Vizier of the Menagerie which is again giving me pseudo-draw. The bigger butt also helps with defence.
Assemble the Legion is so cool but it is so hard to justify that slow build-up. I've put Captain Sisay in its place who can easily take advantage of the untap effects this deck has. With Planeswalkers being Legends, her ability is pretty good at getting stuff that makes the deck's theme come to life. I'm hoping for more Vigilance friendly 'Walkers in War of the Spark. I definitely want Vivien Reid but I can wait until she rotates.
I've killed enough big guys in response to Rishkar's Expertise that I don't want to subject myself to that vulnerability. Garruk comes in as something that the deck wants to do anyway. His plus is like Expertise, his minus is like the 5 or less stipulation but I can keep doing this each round. His Emblem would be nice to pull off too.
1 Captivating Crew
1 Mob Rule
1 Mountain
1 Stromkirk Occultist
1 Primal Order
1 Forest
Primal Order has put me in a pickle a few times, such as knowing it will kill me before I can kill the table. Also, some decks just don't really take a lot of damage from it. In its place, another 'win the game' card in the form of Mob Rule. Also, an immediate impact and a large enough one that I think it's worth Thar's temper, especially if I snag some life gain Creatures.
The deck has been leaning a little more Red for awhile now, so swapping one Basic.
1 Serra Ascendant
1 Mob Rule
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Leonin Warleader
Leonin Warleader's tokens were underwhelming. Mob Rule, if resolved and unmolested, should end the game for me.
Other ways to save your board: Scapegoat, you use lots of tokens so this will be easy and it's low to the ground to save you. Teferi's Protection if you got the money for it. Ghostway and Eerie Interlude can help saving your board.
You also need to cut down the board quickly: Throne of the God-Pharaoh would help with how much your board turns sideways. Oketra's Monument makes your White Creatures cheaper and spews out more bodies. They can also block due to Vigilance, so you can getting into trade wars and come ahead. I think this is better than Assemble the Legion, I've never made a deck that could work with Legion. Mirror Entity gives you something to do with all of the mana you have, helps you close out the game and dodges Exile Wraths when you pay 0 in response. Repercussion will make Blocks irrelevant, so this might be worth testing, but that might move you more towards a "Saboteur" Build. Boros Garrison is a low opportunity cost way to increase your damage output when you have spare mana in the late game.
It does sound like you don't want to use Impact Tremors and Purphoros, God of the Forge but they are a very reliable way to kill the board with the amount of bodies your deck spews out.
It's both good and bad that Bolas's Citadel was so good. Good, because I immediately wanted to put it in everything; bad, because it'll be expensive and might even be ban worthy? Do you find that the Citadel hits that bannable point?
Tweaks:
1 Twilight Drover
1 Leonin Warleader
1 Custodi Soulbinders
1 Skullclamp
1 Dragonmaster Outcast
1 Glorybringer
1 Sun Titan
1 Path of Mettle
Glorybringer has kind of been a disappointment. The Soulbinders can be huge, so they can get in without too much of a scare and can Block well. Again, they make Flying tokens so my face and Planeswalkers are protected on D, and 3/1s are a pain to deal with on offence.
I've noticed my Sun Titan whiff a few times as of late, so I'm axing it for a curve slimmer in the form of Leonin Warleader. If the tokens survive the next turn, 3/1 Lifelink will help raise my health.
Path of Mettle is fun but kind of bad. I've axed it for a serious source of card draw, especially with all of the X/1 token makers I've just added. Dragon Broodmother also makes 1/1s that I can feed to the Clamp. I guess this means I should probably look into having Mentor of the Meek return.
Other token makers I thought of using were Hero of Bladehold, as she also pumps my team. I went against that because my Commander already does the pump, I don't really need that redundancy. If I need to flatten my curve further, there's always Hanweir Garrison but I don't just want generic 1/1s. Another direction I thought of taking the deck is using a shell of my Trostani, Selesnya's Voice deck, that way I have another Creature that has a good tap effect on an EOT and another way to gain life so I don't accidentally die to some random AOEs. But building that will take up a lot of slots, I think I would need to drop the Planeswalker package and considering Superfriends is new territory to me, I'd rather not.
1 Wayward Swordtooth
1 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
1 The Gitrog Monster
1 Tendershoot Dryad
1 Archangel of Thune
1 Sheoldred, Whispering One
1 Archfiend of Despair
1 Razaketh, the Foulblooded
1 Temple of the False God
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
2 Swamps
1 Farhaven Elf
1 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Grand Abolisher
1 Conqueror's Flail
1 Selfless Spirit
1 Karlov of the Ghost Council
1 Vizkopa Guildmage
1 Kambal, Consul of Allocation
1 Sun Titan
1 Krosan Grip
1 Hall of the Bandit Lord
1 Gavony Township
1 Plains
Considering the amount of nonbasics this deck uses, Knight of the Reliquary seems like a no-brainer. Especially since early game it can fetch my Ramp lands and late it can get Emeria, the Sky Ruin for recursion, Kor Haven for Safety or Rogue's Passage to punch in. Stoneforge Mystic only hs two targets after this update, so I figure another deck will probably gladly pick her up.
Grand Abolisher and Conqueror's Flail are artifacts of when the deck was Saboteur Tribal. They made sure I could get in for my triggers as people would mess with my combat step. My theory is that now that I'm using more Haymakers, I don't need to protect my combat step as people are going to have to innately answer my Creatures. In their place is Kalitas for grave hate and general badassery and Gitrog for draw, ramp and a sizable body.
Selfless Spirit protected my board, but I didn't really feel the effect that well. I'm putting in Tendershoot Dryad. In fact, I was astonished to find out my list didn't have a Tendershoot. That thing is bonkers, in goes another Haymaker.
Karlov was difficult to manage, I didn't gain enough life. Or rather, the deck would gain huge chunks but he prefers a steady stream of little instances. Archangel of Thune goes in as a way to give my deck more ways to end the game, as I found that a small Tymna the Weaver holds back my ability to win. As she grows in size, I no longer go parity or take damage to draw cards, it becomes draw and gain. That's when I frequently feel like the deck is in good shape. Thune will let my team of haymakers grow.
Vizkopa Guildmage was just good for a single combo finish and that's it. With removing of two-thirds of the 'protect my combat step', she became less of an attractive option. Sheoldred is definitely a Haymaker that puts a clock on the board.
Kambal slowly drained my opponents but I couldn't really take advantage of his Shocks. Archfiend of Despair will certainly end my opponents and is an example of these Haymakers I am talking about.
With a lot of the cuts, Sun Titan loses a lot of things to recur, so he gets the axe. This is probably a mistake but I've noticed over a few games that he very rarely recurred things lately. I had a lot of nonpermanents or things costing over 4 in my graveyard. With the deck's curve going up, I thought it was unlikely he would get better. In his place is Razaketh, who will fetch me whatever I need to win the game, in addition to being a Flampler.
Krosan Grip hasn't been doing much lately and I knew I was going to replace it with a piece of Ramp. This is where Temple of the False God comes in. Temple isn't a Land, it's a Ramp piece. That way when I see my hand, I don't see a Land but a Cultivate or Pir's Whim. You're not going to get mad at either of those spells for keeping a crappy hand and be unable to Ramp but that's the frequent mistake people make with Temple. With the addition of Knight of the Reliquary, I can also fetch it, especially since I've caused this deck's curve to jump up.
With all of the Black I've added, I cut a bunch of the utility lands and added in Swamps. Urborg will help with the Quad Black of Phage the Untouchable, triple Black of Razaketh and many double. Plus Urborg enables Sheoldred's Swampwalk. I didn't need the Hall of the Bandit Lord, a lot of the time the ETBT clause made it an unattractive land drop, so then it was never ready when I wanted to surprise one-shot a player with Phage. Gavony Township's goal of making things big is nice, but I rather have the coloured mana for the moment.
I do think there's going to be quite a few shuffles as I know some of the cards that I put in synergize with cards I've cut. Time to play and figure that out.
1 Yeva, Nature's Herald
1 Rogue's Passage
1 Obsidian Fireheart
1 Rogue's Passage
I've lost too many games where I couldn't punch in and lost Ruric Thar to his 'must attack' clause. Considering the deck has various ways to pump him, he can even be a two or three turn clock, but only if he gets in. Rogue's Passage goes in as a low opportunity cost to provide unblockability and I think it's potential utility passes the Primal Order test of taking 1 each turn for it.
1 Urza's Ruinous Blast
1 Blasphemous Act
1 Prophetic Flamespeaker
1 Kraum, Ludevic's Opus
1 Impaler Shrike
1 Shifting Shadow
1 Sheoldred, Whispering One
1 Consecrated Sphinx
Sheoldred costs too much, even if her effect is very powerful. Kraum has evasion and Haste which is a desirable trait in an Aggro build. I want continual draw which Kraum does provide and not the hatred that Sheoldred draws.
Consecrated Sphinx also draws a lot of hate for not much of a payoff. In a control deck, your hand being fuelled by the Sphinx pulls you way ahead. Considering this deck taps out most of the time, I am not really benefiting from the extra cards. I get choked off by the amount of cards compared to the deck's throughput. In its place is another card I'm taking from Lotokor's Marchesa build. I'm not too fond of it either but I need CMC shaving. Another earmark for the next card that gets printed to replace this.
With my mana curve trending upwards, I realized I might need to put in more Ramp. I like going Lands only because they don't get randomly destroyed by all sorts of effects like Rock Ramp does. Perhaps I should put Burnished Hart back into the deck.
1 Angel of the Dire Hour
1 Michiko Konda, Truth Seeker
1 Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts
1 Dread
1 Aurification
1 Martyr's Bond
1 Remove Enchantments
1 Settle the Wreckage
1 Cloudstone Curio
1 Comeuppance
1 Revel in Riches
1 Island Sanctuary
1 Martyr's Cause
1 Polluted Bonds
1 Attrition
1 Dark Prophecy
1 Endless Horizons
1 Hour of Revelation
1 Solitary Confinement
1 Graveborn Muse
I cut what I felt like I could do without the most. Not sure if it is right or wrong, but putting in this Nuclear Package is costly.
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Viashino Heretic
1 Wayward Swordtooth
1 Vizier of the Menagerie
1 Captain Sisay
1 Garruk, Caller of Beasts
1 Shamanic Revelation
1 Hull Breach
1 Farhaven Elf
1 Garruk's Packleader
1 Assemble the Legion
1 Rishkar's Expertise
Hull Breach as a Sorcery isn't that interesting, the Heretic will enjoy the deck's theme and will give me something to do on an end step. Also, big butt.
Farhaven Elf is a one-time Ramp, Wayward Swordtooth can help with extra land drops.
Not enough Creatures triggered Garruk's Packleader, though some of the Creatures could be absolutely absurd draw-wise like Kazull, Tyrant of the Cliffs' Ogres or Tendershoot Dryad's Saprolings. In its place is Vizier of the Menagerie which is again giving me pseudo-draw. The bigger butt also helps with defence.
Assemble the Legion is so cool but it is so hard to justify that slow build-up. I've put Captain Sisay in its place who can easily take advantage of the untap effects this deck has. With Planeswalkers being Legends, her ability is pretty good at getting stuff that makes the deck's theme come to life. I'm hoping for more Vigilance friendly 'Walkers in War of the Spark. I definitely want Vivien Reid but I can wait until she rotates.
I've killed enough big guys in response to Rishkar's Expertise that I don't want to subject myself to that vulnerability. Garruk comes in as something that the deck wants to do anyway. His plus is like Expertise, his minus is like the 5 or less stipulation but I can keep doing this each round. His Emblem would be nice to pull off too.