Also I keep wanting to find a reason to doubt Bur's ability and second guess whether he is lying, but given the structure of his role if Huntz dies I think Bur is just conf town.
Using a day killing ability on a scumbuddy to "confirm" your just doesn't seem like a real way for scum to spend their resources.
I agree. And if Hunt lives and Bur dies (and flips town), then Hunt's town. So either way we should be getting a confirmed town out of it.
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Yup in full agreement on that. Having Bur's role made public will clear Huntz.
Really? I'm against claiming so that power roles can operate in secret. Since he's already claimed then claiming his targets clears people. I can too have it both ways.
No you actually can't.
Everything shadow was saying makes sense, I don't get your reasoning here at all DV.
Azrael's is easy, scum never buses both buddies that hard. Just seems insane. Maybe if they were not skilled players, but tom is very solid as scum.
Anak as D_V just said is almost certainly town for the commitment to the gimmick. This is an incredibly consistent pattern of behavior that points to him being town. Plus if someone else was tom they would have cc'd by now and we'd have lynched anak.
KJ: Daykill scum janitor seems horribly broken. I'm choosing not to live in that world.
Shadow: I like Shadow's early game. His initial desire for flavor claims does feel more townie than not. His interactions with Kpaca read genuinely to me as I had a similar reaction when I was following along with the thread. Less of a fan to set up Tare and Az for scum here. I know Osie was being widely scum read at the time, but it did not seem like a super difficult town read to make. He even hedges it and admits that he feels Osie is more likely town that scum, which is not a great look.
His D1 tunnel on Kpaca culminating in a frustration vote does feel very townie though. His EOD1 defense of Hunt reads mostly genuine, I get not wanting to push the claimed doc shot. I also like him voting tom at the end.
So shadow is a mixed bag and his D2 doesn't look great (but it was so short no one's does) but I'm pretty comfortable calling him town for his interaction with Kpaca.
D_V: His early push on Az feels a bit forced. It seems like a really NAI thing to have focused in on. Rereading it I still don't get the focus on the order from DV. His reason for unvoting is NAI and he's already prepping to hop back onto that train here.
I like the fire DV shows here, here, and here. That is a full blown I can't believe you're scum reading me reaction. And it's the main reason I'm not super happy lynching DV, because it's happening again today. I don't know DV well enough to say if he can do that as both alignments but despite all the other suspect stuff that reaction and his reaction to shadow and Az here feels genuine.
Cyan: His first post that gives me a lean in either direction is 270. His unvote is NAI, but I really like his reasoning on why Tare is not scum for town reading him there.
What I like less is his posting after the Hunt flip. 596 is very fence sitty and non commital for someone who literally just voted for tare in 569 after Huntz flip.
So I'm pretty sure that scum is between Cyan and DV. I don't have a firm grasp of DV's meta but he doesn't seem like the type for emotion based ploys so unless I can get contradictory meta I think I'd rather lynch Cyan.
Also I keep wanting to find a reason to doubt Bur's ability and second guess whether he is lying, but given the structure of his role if Huntz dies I think Bur is just conf town.
Using a day killing ability on a scumbuddy to "confirm" your just doesn't seem like a real way for scum to spend their resources.
@Shadow: Cyan has been slightly less in a tunnel than I have. He's been more willing to move around as evidenced by hopping around on SJT's wagon today. I also liked his take on the Mindreaver v Rodemy situation. If Huntz flips scum here I'm going to feel pretty good about Cyan's alignment as they don't feel like scumbuddies here.
PTAP I'm in a tunnel on Hunt and can't be bothered to reevaluate with the game sitting in limbo. Same with the case against Rhand. It looks good on the surface but with the game not moving right now I'm not going back and digging through his ISO to see how it holds up. Sorry. I'll try to be more engaged going forward.
Is no one else weirded out by Ophi thinking they were hammering me and unvoting? Like it's really strange move.
It was, except he's an uncounterclaimed doctor. Is GJ your partner?
I don't think it would necessarily correct to cc as doc in this setup, but yeah it's enough for me have unvoted (eventually). And I don't have a partner because I'm not scum.
@Mindreaver: Hunt is the scum on the Terry wagon. Maybe someone else too, but I don't see anyone at first glance. Hunt's vote is just abundantly obviously the scum one.
Completely agree with this. For reference here is Hunt joining the wagon:
I'm fine with lynching Terry. I dont believe Mind is scum. Bur I'm less sure of, but he's in my lean scum pile. Cyan not wanting me dead as badly as he did yesterday is odd to me. I know there are questions thrown my way but I'm super lazy now, and I have no desire to answer them. I'll get to them eventually.
Vote Terry
This is not the first time this game he's hopped on a wagon with minimal reasoning. And he's so clearly leaving his options open for if the wagon loses steam.
I'm fairly sure there is one scum between D_V and Shadow. KJ's wavering on whether to no lynch or not isn't the strongest town tell in the world either.
Going to reread and try to have some content for tomorrow.
Yup in full agreement on that. Having Bur's role made public will clear Huntz.
Everything shadow was saying makes sense, I don't get your reasoning here at all DV.
Azrael's is easy, scum never buses both buddies that hard. Just seems insane. Maybe if they were not skilled players, but tom is very solid as scum.
Anak as D_V just said is almost certainly town for the commitment to the gimmick. This is an incredibly consistent pattern of behavior that points to him being town. Plus if someone else was tom they would have cc'd by now and we'd have lynched anak.
KJ: Daykill scum janitor seems horribly broken. I'm choosing not to live in that world.
Shadow: I like Shadow's early game. His initial desire for flavor claims does feel more townie than not. His interactions with Kpaca read genuinely to me as I had a similar reaction when I was following along with the thread. Less of a fan to set up Tare and Az for scum here. I know Osie was being widely scum read at the time, but it did not seem like a super difficult town read to make. He even hedges it and admits that he feels Osie is more likely town that scum, which is not a great look.
His D1 tunnel on Kpaca culminating in a frustration vote does feel very townie though. His EOD1 defense of Hunt reads mostly genuine, I get not wanting to push the claimed doc shot. I also like him voting tom at the end.
So shadow is a mixed bag and his D2 doesn't look great (but it was so short no one's does) but I'm pretty comfortable calling him town for his interaction with Kpaca.
D_V: His early push on Az feels a bit forced. It seems like a really NAI thing to have focused in on. Rereading it I still don't get the focus on the order from DV. His reason for unvoting is NAI and he's already prepping to hop back onto that train here.
I like the fire DV shows here, here, and here. That is a full blown I can't believe you're scum reading me reaction. And it's the main reason I'm not super happy lynching DV, because it's happening again today. I don't know DV well enough to say if he can do that as both alignments but despite all the other suspect stuff that reaction and his reaction to shadow and Az here feels genuine.
Cyan: His first post that gives me a lean in either direction is 270. His unvote is NAI, but I really like his reasoning on why Tare is not scum for town reading him there.
What I like less is his posting after the Hunt flip. 596 is very fence sitty and non commital for someone who literally just voted for tare in 569 after Huntz flip.
So I'm pretty sure that scum is between Cyan and DV. I don't have a firm grasp of DV's meta but he doesn't seem like the type for emotion based ploys so unless I can get contradictory meta I think I'd rather lynch Cyan.
Using a day killing ability on a scumbuddy to "confirm" your just doesn't seem like a real way for scum to spend their resources.
@Shadow: Cyan has been slightly less in a tunnel than I have. He's been more willing to move around as evidenced by hopping around on SJT's wagon today. I also liked his take on the Mindreaver v Rodemy situation. If Huntz flips scum here I'm going to feel pretty good about Cyan's alignment as they don't feel like scumbuddies here.
Because before your back and forth with D_V I thought there was a decent chance the game was over.
Quick post of my view assuming the game isn't over:
Town
Grape
AZ
KJ
Osie
Anak
Shadow
Cantrip
D_V
Cyan
I agree with these three. Replacements happen. It sucks. Games chug along.
On topic @Rhand why are you voting KJ? I read the post where you voted him and didn't follow it at all.
I don't think it would necessarily correct to cc as doc in this setup, but yeah it's enough for me have unvoted (eventually). And I don't have a partner because I'm not scum.
Completely agree with this. For reference here is Hunt joining the wagon:
This is not the first time this game he's hopped on a wagon with minimal reasoning. And he's so clearly leaving his options open for if the wagon loses steam.
@Azrael you case on
TareCantrip is persuasive, going to look through that Iso again without your points and see what jumps out to me.I'm fairly sure there is one scum between D_V and Shadow. KJ's wavering on whether to no lynch or not isn't the strongest town tell in the world either.