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  • posted a message on Resistance - Spies win!
    Voting on 4.1Proposed by Vaimes: KJ, Rhand, Umami, Vaimes

    Yes: KJ, Umami, Vaimes
    No: Rhand, Shadow, Sloth, GJ


    The mission has not been approved. It now Rhand's turn to nominate. He has 72 hours.
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    Random observation is that Jack tonally feels massively different now to earlier in the day, makes me feel slightly better about him.
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    Quote from Umami »


    I feel like you're insulting me but I don't know who Ben Simmons is so I'll continue to live in blissful ignorance

    He's a former first overall pick who hasn't put everything together yet, but has supreme physical talent and feel for the game but poor shooting technique. A lot of potential, but currently a very limited player being held back by inexperience and one big limitation.

    I didn't mean it in an insulting way but it's definitely saying your have room to grow.
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  • posted a message on Resistance - Spies win!
    Vaimes has nominated KJ, Rhand, Umami, and Vaimes for mission 4.

    You have 24 hours to vote and submit your mission choice.
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    @Shadow do you really think that there has been enough to read you from? I think a default scum lean because you're you is the correct stance at this stage.
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    1. Grapefruit21 - JR Smith
    2. ZeDorkSlipeur - Jordan on the Wizards
    3. Gentleman Johnny - Draymond Green
    4. Rhand - Damian Lillard? Paul George? Regular Season Shaq? Don't feel great about this one
    5. Jackrito - Shaun Livingston
    6. TubbaFett - Kendrick Perkins
    7. shadowlancerx - Rudy Gobert?
    8. tomsloger - I had Jimmy Butler but tom rightly pointed out the competitiveness is out of whack. Dr J maybe.
    9. Vaimes - Dirk or Kevin Love depending on how strong a comp you want.
    10. Lastwhisper - Rasheed Wallace
    11. Umami - Ben Simmons
    12. M plus 7 - Kyle Lowry Sloth - Pat Beverly
    13. Rodemy - A better Jeff Green?
    14. ITF - ??? Elgin Baylor?
    15. Killjoy - Gordon Hayward
    16. Axelrod - Kemba Walker?
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    Is ITF the type to troll in twilight?
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    @ITF now is a great time to leave a legacy if you have anything you want to make sure we have. Or scum claim. That would be great so we can party.
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    ITF kind of has that just so level of foreignness where I can't figure out if his weirdness is meta differences, awkwardness fitting into a group that all knows each other, or scumminess. He's very much a shrug to me right now.

    The wagon makes me want to give him the benefit of the doubt but it's also not that strong a thing. If he is scum it's entirely plausible his buddies didn't want to tangle with town!ZDS and decided to just hope something happened.
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    I'm really baffled by this idea of people hanging out in limbo. People get easier to solve as the game moves on. If your read isn't evolving at least a little then it means they aren't playing or you're in a tunnel. People turn their slots around wildly in mafia. It's kind of the point of the game. So I'm very much not a fan of killing someone just because you don't want to have to solve them later.

    If you have a good PoE kill in that, otherwise kill scummy people. Don't kill someone because you're worried about them being a question mark.

    Anyway @Vaimes you said you don't see the case on Jack is that a town read or just absence of a scum read?

    @Shadow I was curious if you were more confident on the KJ or ITF read. What's making KJ town to you? I have very little strong feelings about him.
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    Shadow GTH three strongest reads por favor.
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    Quote from tomsloger »
    Would add jack and kj to that list as having ~0 impact.
    And technically rod/vaimes/shadow are always on that list because they dont so much play to thir wincons as scum as "try to mimic their towngames" (with varying levels of focus and effectiveness)

    I dont think ITF is particularly likely with axel or zds, who are the most impactful of the lowposters along with you and rhand
    If he has buddies that have tried to save him, theyve been factually ineffective

    Not feeling strongly about this though

    Yeah that's all fair. It's probably way too early for that. Kind of disagree with Shadow not playing to his win con but that's neither here nor there.

    If anything I'm probably the person who makes the most sense as an ITF buddy now that you've listed like everyone. Really the takeaway though is that this game is listless and utterly lacking consensus outside of ITF and Umami. No great bob.

    @Rod In the tom scum world what does that say about the wagons? I'm assuming you'd clear Jack, what does it say about ITF?
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    Quote from Jackrito »


    So let's just ignore my issues with ITF today then ok. Also since all of you see Umani as town hard to say which one is scummy, I would need flips and a review of the game to call that. Also if I'm scum why do I go for the universal town read when it gives me nothing but grief?

    The thing on you being scummy is because it is the reverse of last game and you actually have a lot more intent to push it through this time why you feel so sure on me I'm not sure when you were wrong last time. Do Ir really think you are scum maybe I would like you to focus on other people instead of mostly me since you are accuseing me of only focusing on Umani which is not true, are you not doing the same?


    My point wasn't about the ease of doing so. It was the lack of any effort. I think that Rhand and Tom's reads of Umami look very natural and are distinct from most others. The way Rhand was bursting to discuss the town read as soon as the DLP game felt real, the way tom was talking around the ongoing game gave me a similar vibe. You hand waving away that you can't glean anything without flips is going back to the lack of townie process I was pointing to.
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    Quote from Jackrito »


    Why not have Grape then as top town. Also to go back to the previous post you said Tom did posts that town or scum can do. You can say that about anyone what is the key differance between grape and Tom posts that make Grape town and Tom null. If notes were based on Wagon does that mean you had none before and like KJ pointed out you have nothing on him who is the first vote in the wagon. Also wait you have half of the game in null I though that was slight town read.

    This is my most important point though what exactly is Grapes points on me you like over Tom's? This is important because multiple times you have said you like the points but never went into why and what they are.This is important for a couple of reasons

    This is actually a very good question.

    @Vaimes it's just me and tom.
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    Quote from Lastwhisper »

    I can see the shade, but I dont really get how him voting a different wagon is like + scum ev? iv? am I doing this right lol

    It depends on ITF being town (which I don't really know if I believe tbh) but if ITF is town it's great for Vaimes to get off the wagon. Likewise shadow had been under suspicion but he wasn't being voted and Vaimes didn't really try to build consensus. It's reeks of being a parked vote off wagon.

    @Jack do you think anyone's town reads of Umami are scummy? I'm not seeing any next step thinking from you. Maybe it's because I've put you into a place of only self defense but you haven't shown any of the background thinking I'd expect. Your top scum read is a near universal top town read. Why aren't you analyzing that? Why has the analysis of "who is scummy for suspecting me" ended at Grape is pushing me differently from last game? I just don't get what you're doing if you're town here. You aren't trying to defend yourself or clear yourself by hunting.
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