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  • posted a message on (Spoiler) Throne of Eldraine favourites so far?
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    Nope. If I wanted more cheap removal I would toss in a couple more.



    That's fair and fine. There's room to add more removal and/or blockers.



    The deck can realistically be any colors and Grixis is a great combo.



    This is a fantastic PWer deck and I routinely play versions that include them. The only reason why I tend to dislike them is because they're extremely difficult to protect but that's trivially easy when you get to cast multiple spells per turn. You can do some extremely nutty things with Mastermind's Acquisition and/or Fae of Wishes where you setup combos such as Doubling Season + Liliana, Dreadhorde General or Chandra, Awakened Inferno + Jokulhaups. The Elderspell, Contagion Engine and Planewide Celebration (Proliferate 4x for instant PW ults) can also work too. Heck, even if you throw "I win" combos out the window there's nothing wrong with Damnation + Nicol Bolas, Dragon-God on turn 5 or assuming that you went Fires of Invention + Damnation on turn 4 then turn 5 can easily be Nicol Bolas, Dragon-God + The Eldest Reborn. Don't forget about Karn's Bastion either because PWers love Proliferate and you have plenty of mana to spare.

    Burning Wish, Mastermind's Acquisition and Fae of Wishes are definitely the best cards to be playing in Fires of Invention decks if anyone wants to build something ultra-cutthroat because then you can literally play with any card in your collection. After all, you get to tutor and cast the spell on the same turn. So you can build a deck full of tutors, Fires, ramp, etc. and then use a pure Wish "board" to play the perfect spell every turn since your deck will be playing 12+ 0 mana Demonic Tutors that can fetch any card in Magic (that you own). So if you want the meanest possible Grixis build there you go.


    I appreciate your previous efforts with the Izzet deck and I am LOVING the Grixis ideas, I think this was the sort of thing I was looking for. It's given me a great start to flesh out a list. I will see what I come up with and post it for some critiquing.
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  • posted a message on (Spoiler) Throne of Eldraine favourites so far?
    Interesting take. Do you mulligan hard for Anger of the Gods?

    The mana base is sound and the endgame looks strong (could, of course, be upgraded). I have concerns about the early game. I know our metas are different, mine is smaller and punishes open players without mercy (it didn't use to, but we have become far less lenient in that regard).

    Admittedly, I am looking at Grixis colors, feel like black just adds a lot of options but the way my brain is working today, I may be off my rocker.

    I know you don't particularly like PW'ers but I couldn't imagine a Grixis shell without at least one Bolas walker



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  • posted a message on Risen Reef
    Omnath, locus of Rage is the one I have a few copies of, not the other one, that is my typo.

    Turn 5 plays on turn 3, gotcha.... feeling really, really dumb atm. Rolleyes

    I agree on cloudkin Seer and Mulldrifter is far superior.
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  • posted a message on Risen Reef
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    Do you own Nexus of Fate or Approach of the Second Sun? Those are vastly superior options. Don't forget about Field of the Dead either. This deck doesn't need or want cards like Supreme Exemplar that die to removal when you can play win conditions that ignores it entirely. Omnath is useful as a removal spell so he's fine but you'll rarely be going face with that ability.

    OOC have you tested Smokebraider at all? I just assumed that your lists had 4 but I'm currently seeing 0. Isn't that the best possible thing to be doing on turn 2? My build has 4 Braiders and 4 Mariners because I want to be casting one of those on turn 2 every game. Flamekin Harbinger on 1 is ideal but you'll only get that ~40% of the time.


    I have both! A couple of Nexus of fates and a playset of Approach of the second sun so those could be added. Any chance you can indulge me with a decklist so I can work off it. I believe I have a couple of smokebraider but the card seems lackluster unless I am missing something??
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  • posted a message on (Spoiler) Throne of Eldraine favourites so far?
    I would really like to see some decklists for Fires of Invention control or otherwise. Anyone brewed up anything fun and inspiring?
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  • posted a message on Risen Reef
    I updated the decklist on the first post. Vesperlark unsettled Mariner Mulldrifter all added, how I forgot about mulldrifter is beyond me. Ditched the Scampering Scorcher single bane of progress and Arcane adaptation. I woul ditch the leafkin druid as well, but I need early defense or I will get run over by others.

    The problem that still remains is the fact that only Omnath, Locus of Rage and Supreme Exemplar hit for more than 2 power. So while I can get off to a blazing start, if one of those finishers is removed, the deck looks menacing but doesn't actually threaten. Plus it is vulnerable to Wrath effects

    Does this type of deck just simply work better with Jace, Wielder of Mysteries or laboratory maniac as it's wincon?
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  • posted a message on (Spoiler) Throne of Eldraine favourites so far?
    I have started spamming Torbran, thane of Red Fell into every red deck that can use it with pretty decent results. The card adds a ton of reach to sweepers like Anger of the Gods, creatures like Goblin chainwhirler and utility cards like fiery confluence. It's clearly nuts with impact tremors, Purph or Hostility built to take advantage of the card. There are a ton of Thermo-alchemist type effects as well.

    If you really want to be a filthy casual, just playQueen Blaze and since those emblems trigger separately, each deals 3x the damage (until Torbran is removed) and then those emblems continue to burn until the game is over.

    There are clearly lots of other strategies to explore but I feel like the card has legs b/c it feels very one-sided when done right



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  • posted a message on Lucky Knights
    I had a chance to jam a few games with your smitten swordmaster deck, and I have to say, it performed better than I thought it would. edgewall Innkeeper definitely draws a lot of cards and the ability to recycle removal frustrated people. I will tweak it a little bit for my meta specifically, but the core of the deck is sound
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  • posted a message on Risen Reef
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    I highly highly highly recommend both Unsettled Mariner and Yarok, the Desecrated. Both cards are elementals, Mariner protects you from interaction and Yarok doubles Reef/Field triggers. Vesperlark is also fantastic at recurring Reefs + Harbingers while still being an elemental itself which is perfect.


    I have played with/against Yarok, the desecrated and know its effects quite well. In my Gates deck with Golos. I like both of the other suggestions.

    Maze's end in the Gates deck forces the tables hand, which I like as a win condition. I just want to make sure I am doing enough with the deck to play good quality magic

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  • posted a message on Risen Reef
    Let's discuss Risen Reef and just how broken it is in the right deck(s). Standard has felt it's dominance paired up with Field of the Dead. I am pretty sure this can translate into a multiplayer deck, so let us brew!

    I have built a bunch of different iterations of the deck below is just a silly sample.

    I routinely draw my deck if not completely disrupted and most the decks have 70 cards in them just b/c the fear of decking is real and short of my maze's end version, I haven't found a wincon that just blew me away yet.



    Anyone else playing risen reef and dropping hordes of zombies, or using other alt-win cons?

    Decklist updated Oct 12/19








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  • posted a message on (Spoiler) Throne of Eldraine favourites so far?
    So I had a chance to play with Oakhame adversary and I put it in an all deathtouch deck just because thematically it fit. Green is represented in about 33% of my opponents' decks in a meaningful way. In 10 games, I drew the card 22 times and was able to cast it for 2 mana 14 times and for the full cost the other 8 times. That is a 64% rate (but I was looking to jam the card every possible time, even if it wasn't the best play to make) so the results are a little skewed. As has been alluded to by others, if your meta is full of green, then the card is undercosted and a good addition to budget decks. If you meta can't guarantee the lower mana cost, then I think it's just another rattlesnake that may or may not draw you a card and I feel like you have a ton of options out there.

    I mean, less than a buck for a playset, sure....why not

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  • posted a message on Lucky Knights
    I really like the look of the knight decks but I have a legitimate question to ask. Can you really burn out the table in your meta?

    We used to be able to, but now payoff strategies like gray merchant of asphodel, Exsanguinate and zulaport cutthroat simply aren't good enough anymore. Yes, if you nut draw, aren't disrupted, recur said pieces fast enough and others don't draw well, you can still squeak out a win. We had a lifegain issue in our meta and now lifegain hate is prevalent or you have someone gaining life at a rate where only a combo or infect can take them down.

    Instead, a card like torment of hailfire causes extreme grief for the table as resource denial can be strong when dumped quickly.
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  • posted a message on (Spoiler) Throne of Eldraine favourites so far?
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    The set itself is interesting. Going by my grades it's mostly C+s, not many Bs or As, but there's a ton of C/C+ cards that will be fun to play with/against and very few cards like Narset, Parter of Veils and Smothering Tithe that trivialize what your adversaries are playing. So for the super spikey players it's a "meh" set overall but it's utterly fantastic for kitchen table fans.


    Agreed. It's a great set for kitchen table magic.

    Any chance we're going to see any more set reviews from you? You know you love writing them and there are some of us who gobble up in the information. Or is it an end of an era?

    Another card I tried out in a control shell that performed better than I initially thought the magic mirror If it sticks around it can draw a lot of cards. Obviously there are far better options out there if you want to get competitive, but casually, it's relatively strong.
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  • posted a message on (Spoiler) Throne of Eldraine favourites so far?


    Ok, so my view is that this set is a little under powered so far. Lots of love for tribal knights (yay)
    I haven't had time to digest all of it yet, mainly considering what might fit into my current decks so far.

    Oakhame Adversary looks very sweet for multiplayer.
    Realm-Cloaked Giant looks the goods for some sort of giant-based control deck.
    Knights' Charge will be delicious in my wifes' Knight deck running Knight Exemplar.
    Once upon a Time into another 2-cmc spell (think Growth Spiral etc.) looks like a pretty good Turn 2 play, and it's instant speed!
    Rankle, Master of Pranks - flexibility is usually good.
    The Great Henge looks very good.
    Deathless Knight another not-terrible cockroach that gets around Grafdigger's Cage
    Gilded Goose is ok

    Gluttonous Troll etc.
    Food tokens are artifacts, so anything that cares artifacts to sacrifice, metalcraft, affinity etc. might find food tokens useful, but I'm thinking we probably already have better options.


    Since Prid3 has stopped doing set reviews, (much to my dismay as this is the only place I know of that does 60 card mp decks, most reviews for MP are for EDH) I guess we shall have to work together to make heads or tales of sets going forward.

    Piggybacking off Bleeding Eyeball, who for the most part I agree with (depending on your meta).
    Not completely sold on:
    Oakhame Adversary I prefer [card]Ohran Frostfang for one extra mana but probably play both, thanks for pointing it out
    Deathless Knight meh, recursion is fine, but for 4 mana I think I want my card to do a bit more?

    A few cards I like not mentioned yet
    foulmire knight over-costed card draw with a rattlesnake attached and can be reused well tribal or B/x decks
    murderous rider Great utility in a color that can reuse the card over and over again
    dance of the manse enchantment decks
    Piper of the swarm Rat Tribal among other uses
    Smitten Swordmaster Mini exsanguinate stapled to a body for the draining knight tribal.
    Syr Konrad, the Grim Curve topper for tribal knight drain. Powerful with a full board
    Questing Beast Pushed, a ton of text, dies to no benefit, but seems like good fun

    Ok, there are more good cards, but I will let someone else offer up some
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  • posted a message on Multiplayer Mill with Psychic Corrosion
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    That's my point though lol. There's nothing "illegal" about putting Windfall in your casual deck. If someone can point to me the rule that states otherwise, I'm more than willing to eat my words, but until then I don't understand why we're vilifying people for having fun playing a card game. The Legacy B&R list is just that; the Legacy B&R list. It's nothing more than that. So unless you're playing in a sanctioned Legacy B&R event it's wholly meaningless.


    First off, I never vilified anyone, I pointed out it must be nice to be able to run four Windfall. If you take exception to that, fair enough! I stand by what I said and I highly encourage players to build legal decks following some official constructed list UNLESS the entire group is playing anything goes. It's no fun for players to show up to a table with their Modern deck only to see people drop some turn 1 Vintage "I win" deck.

    Second, Yes, there is no "official" list but I am willing to bet that the vast majority of players who play casually do follow one of the official B&R lists. Two posters have said they do and many others have said as much in all the "help make my deck better" threads on this forum. The evidence seems to indicate as much, although this particular site isn't as busy as it once was.

    Prid3, I love your reviews, I love your deckbuilding ideas, you are clearly passionate about the game and have far greater overall historical game knowledge than I do. However, in terms of playgroups NOT following some sort of B&R list, I think you might be wrong on this one.








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